Wash Post Article: Roe vs. Wade decision impacts college decisions

[sushiritto]

This may become more common:

Michigan Medical Students Walk Out of Speech by Anti-Abortion Speaker

UMich medical students petition to remove anti-abortion speaker

[circuitrider]

@anomander

This conversation makes me realize that it’s the full-pay students who have the most freedom of choice.

This.
Especially with regard to the pursuit of merit-aid which has less to do with ability to pay than willingness to pay. At least according to this article:
College financial aid: It’s a sham that depends on what colleges think families will pay. (slate.com)

[Gatormama]

Just had a talk with a group of rising college seniors yesterday. The one who is going to grad school crossed off Ohio State b/c of Roe.
fwiw.

[deb922]

Full pay students always have had the most choice and will continue to do so.

I’m worried about those schools that depend on those full pay students. They will suffer.

Students and parents that don’t have as many options due to cost will have and have always had less options.

Schools such as Oberlin depend on out of state full pay students and schools such as that will really suffer if the students who have the most options, choose other schools. In applications and admissions.

I’m sure a school such as Oberlin is working overtime trying to figure out how to attract the students they want to admit.

I admit I’m using Oberlin as one such school. There are many others.

I grew up in Ohio, I consider myself an Ohioan. I never felt growing up or living there as an adult, for it to be the state that it’s become.

[ucbalumnus]

@circuitrider

Especially with regard to the pursuit of merit-aid which has less to do with ability to pay than willingness to pay. At least according to this article:
College financial aid: It’s a sham that depends on what colleges think families will pay. (slate.com)

Financial aid and scholarships are basically an example of the economic concept of price discrimination at a very fine grained level, where colleges offer individual pricing based on what they believe each individual is able and willing to pay. This is not a new concept. Of course, the events that this thread is about could affect what some students are willing to pay for some colleges, so colleges may have to adjust their pricing schemes (i.e. financial aid and scholarship offerings) and marketing strategies to ensure sufficient yield and tuition yield in the future.

[circuitrider]

@ucbalumnus

Of course, the events that this thread is about could affect what some students are willing to pay for some colleges, so colleges may have to adjust their pricing schemes (i.e. financial aid and scholarship offerings) and marketing strategies to ensure sufficient yield and tuition yield in the future.

I think you have a point there. So even if they don’t suffer a precipitous drop in applications, some red-state colleges may wind up paying in other ways for their home state’s abortion policies.

[AustenNut]

Just for informational purposes, colleges that tend to be liberal as determined by various web searches (making a list as top 25 or top 50 most liberal) or or in N*che’s top 125 most liberal schools (out of 847) that are located in abortion-banned states or abortion-at-risk states are:

• Oberlin (OH)
• New College of Florida
• Bryn Mawr (PA )
• Swarthmore (PA )
• Kenyon (OH)
• Warren Wilson (NC)
• Allegheny (PA )
• Beloit (WI)
• Denison (OH)
• Rice (TX)
• Loyola New Orleans (LA)
• College of Wooster (OH)
• Hendrix (AR)
• Rollins (FL)
• Davidson (NC)
• U. of Pennsylvania

[circuitrider]

@DadSays

If you believe the polls, Pew says 61% of Americans believe abortion should be legal ‘in all or most cases’. They could have achieved the 60 votes needed to beat the filibuster.

That doesn’t make sense. Especially, if most of those Americans are concentrated in three or four states (I don’t know that to be true, but let’s face it, North Dakota has just as many senators as New York under our Constitution.)

[deb922]

There are plenty of news articles out there that discuss why congress hasn’t been able to codify women’s reproductive rights. You can easily google them
But they aren’t pertinent to this conversation and I respectfully ask that we keep it out of this discussion.

[DadSays]

Kennedy wrote Obergefell

[deb922]

Again, I respectfully ask for this discussion to stay about the conversation about college admissions. Please I really don’t want this shut down.

I’m not flagging any of these posts but think about the TOS

[CC_Mike]

Please keep the discussion at hand related to college admissions. Further treading into pure politics will result in flagged posts and removal of those posts.

[Creekland]

@DadSays

there is no threat to abortion in PA

This depends upon who our next Governor is as there isn’t expected to be much change in the house/senate. If one believes the polls, it’s a toss up race, meaning within the Margin of Error.

@AustenNut

• Bryn Mawr (PA )
• Swarthmore (PA )
• U. of Pennsylvania

None of these three should be a worry to anyone due to their closeness to NJ. Allegheny would be a concern, but that’s not super far from NY (state, not city). Google tells me it takes 2 1/4 hours to get to Buffalo - not sure what might be closer - I just picked a larger city.

[Gatormama]

dissent.
sorry

[OhiBro]

@Creekland

@OhiBro

One of the poor girls in the OP article, and the girl’s counselor, are victims of the overbearing mother’s political views:

Do you know that the girl doesn’t share her mother’s views?…

But sometimes the student agrees with the parent… unless you know, it’s not exactly overbearing. Kids don’t always disagree with their parents.

Yes. The OP article said the girl had “…enduring curiosity about a certain university in a southern state with an abortion ban. “Yes. She is interested … ugh,” the mother wrote. “We would have to have long talk about it.””

Lots of comments in the thread about red states. Pew polled people on the decision to overturn Roe, and separated the results into 4 state categories (% disagreeing with decision):

• Newly prohibited (52%)
• Newly restricted (52%)
• Allowed, future uncertain (53%)
• Allowed, availability maintained / strengthened (65%)

The opinions are not that different. I’m in deep red Kentucky, but I don’t know anyone that is eager to redirect already-strained police efforts toward tracking and prosecuting abortion seekers. It almost makes me think the coverage may be a bit biased. Which brings me to this…

Pew also polled journalists and found 69% of left-leaning journalists believe “Every side does not always deserve equal coverage.” The echo chambering is not coming from a single group / viewpoint.

Good things are already happening. It seems interest in vasectomies has gone way up. Things will continue to happen and evolve.

You guys can do what you feel fits your situation, but I would say this to my family and friends: wait this out. Don’t hastily close off options. Consider solutions, what-ifs, etc. But mischaracterizing red states just muddies the waters. Recall that California voted against gay marriage in the not-too-distant past.

[blueberriesforsal]

I couldn’t agree more; I’m not going to financially contribute to a state or a college in which people who do not look like my white, straight boy will have fewer human rights and more strife than he does. And my son adamantly feels the same way.

Ho-humming discrimination, bigotry, sexism, or basic human rights away as “it’s just politics” isn’t ok by me, I’m not going to fund any place in which my kid would be “more equal than others.”