<p>Yes, because academic quality is definitely NOT in MY consideration when I apply to colleges.</p>
<p>i got an 11 on my sat essay and wash u told me they loved my essay, soo read that.</p>
<p>sweet!!! were you accepted!?!?</p>
<p>oh wait...</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure if you some of you had been accepted....your positions would be a little....different.</p>
<p>I agree that US New and World Report has skewed ratings and, hopefully, no one is judging WUSTL by their ranking by this publication. Their excessive sales literature surely has increased their number of applicants. The two 2005 college guides I have indicate WUSTL's applicants number 19,514 where,Northwestern U, with a smaller enrollment, had 14,283 applicants.</p>
<p>I got waitlisted and I am quite upset; however, I am not about to start bashing Wash U just because I am yet to be accepted (still hoping that I will get in). I will continue to say what a good school it is and how like any other upcoming school, sending out a lot of literature is necessary to at least get more name recognition and to get more qualified applicants who may not have known about the school otherwise.</p>
<p>WOW YOU GUYS HAVE SOME SOUR GRAPES!!!! I BET IF YOU GOT IN YOU WOULDNT BE SAYING THIS!!!</p>
<p>if you think so lowly of it, why did you apply and waste that money?</p>
<p>stop whining</p>
<p>bunions,</p>
<p>I don't know where you got your stats from - but from what I can find the 2004-2005 numbers are as follows:
Northwestern 7,896 undergraduates; WashU 6,027 undergraduates</p>
<p>According to these figures Northwestern is larger and had less applicants.</p>
<p>iceman-</p>
<p>I think many of the people criticizing WashU did not apply or got rejected (though some were accepted). Think about it. Why would people bash a school they got rejected by in this way? Why would they want to make a school they got into seem worse than its US News Ranking? Basically, they are saying that WashU is really a joke of a school, applicants aren't really that competitive, but, oh, I still didn't get in. No, people who got rejected would want to make WashU seem more competitive, more difficult, to better rationalize their rejection.</p>
<p>By your ill-conceived criticism, I get the feeling you got in WashU. People who got into try to say that WashU lives up to rankings, etc., to make themselves feel better.</p>
<p>blankman--you must need some sleep or something. you're making no sense.</p>
<p>...i'm not a forum moderator or administrator or anything along those lines at all, but I think that for the sake of arguing the topic of WUSTL's rating in US News, I think that whether someone was accepted, waitlisted, rejected or didn't apply to WUSTL or still plans to apply to WUSTL is completely irrelevant. </p>
<p>I'm too lazy to look back and find this, but whoever started arguing by saying that person X was mad b/c he didn't get in or anything along those lines needs to find an arguement that pertains to the topic of this thread</p>
<p>Thank you ElPadrino, blankman just contradicted himself and made no sense.</p>
<p>everyone just chill, and yes i did get accepted</p>
<p>wow... you guys really don't understand how to debate... whether or not someone got into WashU is IRRELEVANT!</p>
<p>let me say it again, just because someone got into WashU or didn't get in, does not change whetehr or not WashU is overrated. You guys are treating this as if it's a "bitter" thing.</p>
<p>I got into WashU.</p>
<p>I think WashU is overrated; I would personally rank it between 20-25 on US News... not #11. It's still a great school, but don't pretend its one of the elites</p>
<p>Well said, Reeze.</p>
<p>I said that too!!! Where's my credit? ;)</p>
<p>First off, I was waitlisted.</p>
<p>This school is a good school, but its admissions practices are uncoventional at best and a joke at worst. I am happy for all those who got in, and I wish you luck in the future.</p>
<p>Wash U waitlisted 8 of the 12 kids that applied from my school last year (that is a 66% waiting list), which is absolutely ridiculous. Reject someone or accept them, don't simply put them on a waitlist.</p>
<p>Today, I was accepted at MIT, which made my weekend great, but I still don't understand WUSTL's admissions practices. My demonstrated interest was moderate, but I did not visit.<br>
I am not sour, just pondering the process. Once again, congratulations to everyone who was accepted. Wash U is a great school in its own right.</p>
<p>The middle 50% SAT and ACT put Wash U. where it belongs. So does its architecture, business, medicine, and other programs.</p>
<p>"I don't think it deserves to be ranked 11th" is not an argument either Reeze. You're telling us we don't know how to debate? Puhlease, get off your pedestal. </p>
<p>You say that whether a person got accepted to the University is irrelevant? Au contraire, my friend. Why apply to the University if you have such negative opinions in the first place? Would they be saying the same thing had they been accepted ("OH! These admissions practices are egregious!!!")?</p>
<p>In a word, no.</p>
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You say that whether a person got accepted to the University is irrelevant? Au contraire, my friend. Why apply to the University if you have such negative opinions in the first place? Would they be saying the same thing had they been accepted ("OH! These admissions practices are egregious!!!")?
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<p>It is irrelevant for the topic being argued in this thread! Washington University's overrating and whether or not someone got in are completely unrelated. I don't believe that any of the arguements are dissing WUSTL b/c the poster didn't get in. I would be mad, but regardless, I wouldn't say that the college is overrated for that reason.</p>
<p>johnnydr87,</p>
<p>"Why apply to the University if you have such negative opinions in the first place? "</p>
<p>I don't think it's "such a negative" opinion to think that WashU is overrated...</p>
<p>"Reeze. You're telling us we don't know how to debate? Puhlease, get off your pedestal."</p>
<p>I didn't think it would serve any purpose to restate the arguements of others; you ignored what they said. I, however, did not offer a ridiculous arguement like the relationship between people getting in and whether or not WashU is overrated.</p>
<p>Basically, WashU's acceptance rate and yield rate are highly distorted due to their marketing/waitlisting/manipulating, etc.</p>
<p>"You say that whether a person got accepted to the University is irrelevant? Au contraire, my friend. Why apply to the University if you have such negative opinions in the first place? Would they be saying the same thing had they been accepted"</p>
<p>blah blah blah blah blah.... did I just not say that ** I WAS ACCEPTED **. I bolded so you wouldn't miss it. There are others in this thread who got accepted as well.</p>
<p>What are you talking about? I listed the stats of similarly ranked schools and used statistics. Perhaps you should read into the history of this thread.</p>
<p>To deny that the majority of people posting these "Wash U is overrated" or "Wash U only wants bookworms" threads are doing so because they didn't get accepted is ridiculous. They would NOT be saying the same thing had they received an acceptance letter, guaranteed. </p>
<p>You say I ignored legitimate arguments. That's the case if, "OMFG I don't believe Wash. U. deserves to be ranked this high" is an argument. I listed middle 50% SAT/ACTs and some program rankings...none of which you responded to.</p>
<p>It's odd that you keep claiming that I'm the one not using real arguments. You're the one that made the claim that Wash. U. doesn't deserve to be ranked where it's ranked. That means you have the burden of proof...and no, "I would personally rank it between 20-25 on US News... not #11. It's still a great school, but don't pretend its one of the elites" doesn't cut it.</p>
<p>For kicks, let me respond to your analysis of me:</p>
<p>"I don't think it's "such a negative" opinion to think that WashU is overrated..."</p>
<p>And you're certainly entitled to your opinion.</p>
<p>"I didn't think it would serve any purpose to restate the arguements of others; you ignored what they said. I, however, did not offer a ridiculous arguement like the relationship between people getting in and whether or not WashU is overrated."</p>
<p>Right! It's soooo ridiculous to assume that these people that posted in another thread that Wash. U. doesn't accept "real" people....and came to bash it over here......are doing it because they weren't accepted. </p>
<p>"Basically, WashU's acceptance rate and yield rate are highly distorted due to their marketing/waitlisting/manipulating, etc."</p>
<p>Possibly.. they do send out a lot of mail. But like i said, look at the middle 50% SAT/ACT and see that they're right on par for where they need to be. Also the program rankings.</p>
<p>"blah blah blah blah blah.... did I just not say that I WAS ACCEPTED . I bolded so you wouldn't miss it. There are others in this thread who got accepted as well."</p>
<p>Congrat-u-freakin-lations. Now you can bash Wash. U. without logic and evidence---you're entitled to it!</p>
<p>"Right! It's soooo ridiculous to assume that these people that posted in another thread that Wash. U. doesn't accept "real" people....and came to bash it over here......are doing it because they weren't accepted. "</p>
<p>You're confusing a coincidence with a relationship. I don't think there is a relationship b/w thinking WashU is overrated and your application status. A bunch of the informed adults/college kids on this forum who are in no way affiliated with WashU will tell you the same thing.</p>
<p>"Also the program rankings."</p>
<p>You cited their business program. Are you kidding me?
1. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) 4.8
2. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan) 4.6
3. University of CaliforniaBerkeley (Haas) * 4.5
University of MichiganAnn Arbor * 4.5
5. Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 4.2
New York University (Stern) 4.2
U. of North CarolinaChapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler) * 4.2
University of TexasAustin (McCombs) * 4.2
9. Univ. of Southern California (Marshall) 4.1
University of Virginia (McIntire) * 4.1
11. Indiana UniversityBloomington (Kelley) <br>
12. Cornell University (NY) 3.9
Purdue Univ.West Lafayette (Krannert) (IN) 3.9
U. of IllinoisUrbana-Champaign * 3.9
Univ. of MinnesotaTwin Cities (Carlson) * 3.9
Univ. of WisconsinMadison * 3.9
Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) 3.9 </p>
<p>For business, anything out of the top 10 is considered mediocre/2nd tier. Look at the schools around WashU... you start with top schools like UPenn, MIT and then you move down to the 2nd tier schools like UMich, UNC, CMU</p>
<p>notice how WashU is way at the bottom?</p>
<p>For undergraduate, the ivies (besides UPenn and Cornell) are not listed because they have no UG biz programs... Cornell has an amazing hotel school, but mediocre on business.... </p>
<p>You want to see their engineering rankings? Of course not, that's why you didn't post them.</p>
<ol>
<li>Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 4.9 </li>
<li>Stanford University (CA) 4.7
University of CaliforniaBerkeley * 4.7 </li>
<li>California Institute of Technology 4.5
U. of IllinoisUrbana-Champaign * 4.5
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*41. Arizona State University * 3.3
Dartmouth College (NH) 3.3
Lehigh University (PA) 3.3
Michigan State University * 3.3
University of Notre Dame (IN) 3.3
Vanderbilt University (TN) 3.3
Washington University in St. Louis 3.3 *</li>
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<p>"Congrat-u-freakin-lations. Now you can bash Wash. U. without logic and evidence---you're entitled to it!"</p>
<p>I already told you my logic-- their admissions process makes them overrated.</p>
<p>See, I didn't want to "bash" WashU, but my BS monitor went crazy when I read your posts: "The programs are all top ranking like the elites and all of you WashU haters didn't get in... it's not overrated"</p>
<p>I could make the same arguement that people who get in and pump up WashU do so to make themselves feel better and look better.</p>
<p>Try detaching your personal interests/affiliations from reality</p>