Wash U Seems Way Overrated in US News

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<p>"You're confusing a coincidence with a relationship. I don't think there is a relationship b/w thinking WashU is overrated and your application status."</p>

<p>Wow. It was just a coincidence that they bashed Wash. U. on the exact same day a few minutes after they got their admissions decision. Afterall, they could have posted the exact same posts on different days--it's just that it happened on the same day. Chance, nothing more.</p>

<p>"A bunch of the informed adults/college kids on this forum who are in no way affiliated with WashU will tell you the same thing."</p>

<p>I don't refute that. Just as there are those who think Duke or whatever is overrated. I just think it's ill-conceived.</p>

<p>"You cited their business program. Are you kidding me?
1. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) 4.8
2. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan) 4.6
3. University of California–Berkeley (Haas) * 4.5
University of Michigan–Ann Arbor * 4.5
5. Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 4.2
New York University (Stern) 4.2
U. of North Carolina–Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler) * 4.2
University of Texas–Austin (McCombs) * 4.2
9. Univ. of Southern California (Marshall) 4.1
University of Virginia (McIntire) * 4.1
11. Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley) *
12. Cornell University (NY) 3.9
Purdue Univ.–West Lafayette (Krannert) (IN)* 3.9
U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign * 3.9
Univ. of Minnesota–Twin Cities (Carlson) * 3.9
Univ. of Wisconsin–Madison * 3.9
Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) 3.9"</p>

<p>Buddy, I only cited the b-school because that's one of the schools I'll be attending (CAS is the other). I'm pretty sure I stated that. Obviously it does not make or break the school.</p>

<p>"For business, anything out of the top 10 is considered mediocre/2nd tier. Look at the schools around WashU... you start with top schools like UPenn, MIT and then you move down to the 2nd tier schools like UMich, UNC, CMU"</p>

<p>Cornell is 2nd tier? Ok. Whatever you say. Keep in mind that while these school have great programs, they do not necessarily have a talent. The average student at Cornell/Wash U. is more advanced than the average student at UNC. </p>

<p>"notice how WashU is way at the bottom?"</p>

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<li> The list is much, much bigger. 2. There are many, many more schools. B-school does not irrefutably show that Wash. U. is "second tier." 3. The average student at Wash. U. or Cornell is much smarter than that of UT or something. Go to the business forums and they talk about this often. Cornell students are recruited much more heavily on average than UT students.<br></li>
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<p>"You want to see their engineering rankings? Of course not, that's why you didn't post them.</p>

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<li>Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 4.9</li>
<li>Stanford University (CA) 4.7
University of California–Berkeley * 4.7</li>
<li>California Institute of Technology 4.5
U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign * 4.5
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<li>Arizona State University * 3.3
Dartmouth College (NH) 3.3
Lehigh University (PA) 3.3
Michigan State University * 3.3
University of Notre Dame (IN) 3.3
Vanderbilt University (TN) 3.3
Washington University in St. Louis 3.3"</li>
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<p>OF course I didn't post the engineering school, i'm not majoring in engineering. Nor did I post the medical school--because I don't want to! Even if it's ranked 3rd or something--I just don't give a damn; my interest is not med school. </p>

<p>Maybe you can make another unwarranted claim like your "YOU CHOSE TO NOT POST ENGINEERING BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO SHOW THE RANKINGS! OMFG!!"</p>

<p>"I already told you my logic-- their admissions process makes them overrated."</p>

<p>I don't agree at all. A LOT of students apply to Wash. U. from the midwest and midsouth, so it DOES lower its admission rate. But still, taking that into account, the middle 50% SAT/ACT are right on par for its ranking....as I've stated over and over again....and as you keep ignoring.</p>

<p>See, I didn't want to "bash" WashU, but my BS monitor went crazy when I read your posts: "The programs are all top ranking like the elites and all of you WashU haters didn't get in... it's not overrated"</p>

<p>I never said anything like "the programs are all top ranking like the elites." I did say, however, that its rankings are right on par for its ranking. I said it's where it needs to be.</p>

<p>"I could make the same arguement that people who get in and pump up WashU do so to make themselves feel better and look better."</p>

<p>And I guess so does U.S. News, according to your logic. Yep, that's it. U.S. News has a lot of ex Wash. U. grads who pump up its rankings to make themselves feel better. Great "logic" there, Einstein. It would work if, say, Wash. U. was actually ranked #25, and I said it deserves to be ranked 11th. Unfortunately, US News says it's ranked 11th, but you say it deserves #25. </p>

<p>"Try detaching your personal interests/affiliations from reality."</p>

<p>Hahahhaha. Right. I'm the one who has nationwide publication(s) backing me up, and you're telling me I'm not in step with reality. Ok.</p>

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<p>"Buddy, I only cited the b-school because that's one of the schools I'll be attending (CAS is the other). I'm pretty sure I stated that. Obviously it does not make or break the school."</p>

<p>I'm not your buddy... most people hate when strangers reffer to them as buddy... don't do it.</p>

<p>You used the business ranking as a way to justify the overall ranking. In order to be fair, I brought in the undergraduate engineering school to talk about the overall ranking as well. There are others on here who got into Engin, just because you didn't doesn't have anything to do with WashU being overrated or not. ** Again, you are mixing in personal affiliation/priorities**.</p>

<p>"I don't agree at all. A LOT of students apply to Wash. U. from the midwest and midsouth, so it DOES lower its admission rate. But still, taking that into account, the middle 50% SAT/ACT are right on par for its ranking....as I've stated over and over again....and as you keep ignoring."</p>

<p>I'm not arguing that they get students with a high range of SAT scores. In terms of that, I'd probably agree that it's ranked fine.</p>

<p>Let me return to my first post which started all this:</p>

<p>I didn't like that you ASSUMED all the people saying WashU is overrated are rejects/waitlists. You have to realize that it's possible to hold opinions outside of personal interests.</p>

<p>"And I guess so does U.S. News, according to your logic. Yep, that's it. U.S. News has a lot of ex Wash. U. grads who pump up its rankings to make themselves feel better. Great "logic" there, Einstein. It would work if, say, Wash. U. was actually ranked #25, and I said it deserves to be ranked 11th. Unfortunately, US News says it's ranked 11th, but you say it deserves #25. "</p>

<p>I didn't say it's #25... I believe I said around #20-25. When looking through all the factors, I admit that my initial judgement may have been a bit harsh and that #15-20 is probably more appropriate. Still, #11 is a bit high in my opinion due to their admissions practices. </p>

<p>** I'm not saying its a bad school. It's a great school. You automatically associate ranking on the list with the quality of education. The list is obviously flawed, as WashU provides students with definately quality education.**</p>

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I'm not your buddy... most people hate when strangers reffer to them as buddy... don't do it.

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<p>LOL. I wasn't saying "you're my buddy." It was just a term, sort of like "dude."</p>

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You used the business ranking as a way to justify the overall ranking.

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<p>What the...? I specifically said I only listed the business school and political science school because those are the schools I'm attending. I made it clear in the rest of my posts that there were other schools too. Where the heck did you get this idea?</p>

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In order to be fair, I brought in the undergraduate engineering school to talk about the overall ranking as well. There are others on here who got into Engin, just because you didn't doesn't have anything to do with WashU being overrated or not. Again, you are mixing in personal affiliation/priorities.

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<p>Wow. It's like you didn't even read my post. In your post, you said (and this is an actual quote):</p>

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You want to see their engineering rankings? Of course not, that's why you didn't post them.

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<p>In my response to your post I said that I never posted the medical school rankings either, just because I'm not attending the med school...thereby effectively rendering your claim useless.</p>

<p>Let me pull up my quote again, where I state that I did not look up other school rankings:</p>

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I looked this up for business since I was accepted there. I did not look up your other statistics, so if someone from those schools would like to fact check, please go ahead.

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<p>Like I've said a million times: I didn't list the medical rankings either, despite the fact that it clearly would have helped me in my argument.</p>

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I'm not arguing that they get students with a high range of SAT scores. In terms of that, I'd probably agree that it's ranked fine.

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<p>So we agree...</p>

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I didn't like that you ASSUMED all the people saying WashU is overrated are rejects/waitlists. You have to realize that it's possible to hold opinions outside of personal interests.

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<p>That's a fair assessment (second sentence), but I never made that claim for everyone. I can read multiple threads (yes, really!), use my multitasking skills, and see that these are the same people who got rejected and bashed Wash. U. purposelessly on another thread.</p>

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I didn't say it's #25... I believe I said around #20-25. When looking through all the factors, I admit that my initial judgement may have been a bit harsh and that #15-20 is probably more appropriate. Still, #11 is a bit high in my opinion due to their admissions practices.

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<p>Meh. Same points: 1) middle 50% ACT/SAT 2) multiplie program rankings 3) same prestige as similarly ranked schools.</p>

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I'm not saying its a bad school. It's a great school. You automatically associate ranking on the list with the quality of education. The list is obviously flawed, as WashU provides students with definately quality education.

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<p>Actually, I don't. Didn't you just preach to me about assuming things? A 25th ranked school is still very good, although not as good as an 11th ranked school.</p>

<p>And ok, I wasn't going to get picky with grammar, as I made a few mistakes myself. But your last sentence (The list is obviously flawed, as WashU provides students with definately quality education.) basically tells me that you think WashU should be ranked higher. "Definitely" is misspelled and misplaced as well. I won't get into anything else because I know I'm culprit too, but I had to get wrangle this one.</p>

<p>So let's recap: </p>

<p>1) You're still claiming that the fact that all these people who bashed Wash. U. and got rejected on the same day was coincidence (i.e. chance):

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You're confusing a coincidence with a relationship. I don't think there is a relationship b/w thinking WashU is overrated and your application status.

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<p>I find it highly unlikely that these two incidents just happened to occur in the same day out of the full lives of these individuals. Maybe you're a gambler and have great odds--I don't know.</p>

<p>2) You now state that your initial judgement was too harsh, and that WashU should be ranked 15-20, not 20-25.</p>

<p>3) You admit the SAT/ACT percentiles of WashU place it exactly where it needs to be...and therefrom the talent level of WashU is in sync with its #11 ranking. (I'm not saying SAT/ACTs give are a great indicator of talent either....but that's another argument in itself, so let's stick to WashU.) </p>

<p>4) You said I was only using the WashU business school to support WashU's ranking because it would help me. I effectively refuted that by showing my other quotes where I said I will only post the business school's rankings because I was accepted there. I also refuted your claim by <em>not</em> posting any of WashU's higher rankings in the medical field or whatever.</p>

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<p>Hmmmm....</p>

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<p>"Washington University is tied for 12th. Just one rank after its composite rank of 11."</p>

<p>The point is, you linked one school ranking with the "composite ranking". This arguement is flawed because you can't base the "composite ranking" or relate it or link it in any way to just one school.</p>

<p>Let me quote you again.</p>

<p>"Would they be saying the same thing had they been accepted ("OH! These admissions practices are egregious!!!")?
In a word, no."</p>

<p>You are ASSUMING and GENERALIZING in this quote... that is what triggered my initial response.</p>

<p>Your logic is poor in this quote:</p>

<p>If you're accepted, you won't bash WashU in any way.</p>

<p>I'm living proof, as are others in this thread, that your assumption is not 100% valid. Sure, some may be bitter, but how about we ask this in a non-WashU forum and you'll see the responses you get.</p>

<p>"Meh. Same points: 1) middle 50% ACT/SAT 2) multiplie program rankings 3) same prestige as similarly ranked schools."</p>

<p>Either talk about all the program rankings or talk about none of them. </p>

<p>"I specifically said I only listed the business school and political science school because those are the schools I'm attending. I made it clear in the rest of my posts that there were other schools too. "</p>

<p>We're talking about WashU total, so you can't limit the arguement to just your areas of interest. </p>

<p>Summary:</p>

<p>** WashU provides a great education, but you can't assume that people who think it shouldn't be rated #11 are rejected/waitlisted. **</p>

<p>That's like saying people who don't support the war in Iraq hate America....</p>

<p>you're confusing the relationships</p>

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<p>WashU was founded 150 years ago. As recently as 15 years ago it was more of a regional school with little national recognition. A good school but who knew? They've made a tremendous marketing investment to change this lack of recognition. Those of you with PSAT/SAT scores of a certain level know this because of the mailings with which you were bombarded! The marketing obviously has been successful. Look at the type of students the school is now attracting - smart, accomplished - uh, those of strong opinion :). With this marketing and subsequent increase in applications, WashU has been able to PLAN the type of community they WANT Wash U to become. IMHO I don't believe they feel they are there yet so the aggressive marketing will probably continue.
With each year the student body academic levels have increased and student services/opportunities offered by Wash U are supported. They have a top 10 endowment level (ie TONS of $$$) which they are using to hire professors, build state of the art buildings (ie the new BME building and Art/ Arch centers) and new dorms for their students to give a few examples.</p>

<p>As to their ranking - Wash U appeared so quickly at the level they are currently holding that perhaps people having no experience with the school or those that have had their school's ranking affected by Wash U's don't believe it - WON'T believe it. While every department isn't at superstar level - it is the net effect of the entire school - everything they offer to their students - ALL of their students that make this school amazing. D was accepted by 2 other Eng. programs AFTER she notified them of accepting ED at Wash U and told her to keep them in mind for transfer (yes, they were higher in the rankings :) ) but she saw that the BME program and the students in general are things Wash U believes in and wanted to be part of it. BTW - In the engineering department BME Ranks 14th nationally after being added to their school in 1987. That's VERY fast growth and recognition. </p>

<p>Overranked? Don't know. Rankings definitely not why D chose the school. IF they are, no doubt they're "growing into it".</p>

<p>Congratulations to all of those accepted, good luck to those remaining on the WL.</p>

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<p>Another nice thing about Wash U: They pour tons of $$$ into student resources (extracurricular, such as music & theater entertainment, Ursa Cafe, clubs, community service activites, and so much more). The students run Residential Life and help make major decisions concerning dorms and building & room design, food, and politics. The students at Wash U love it there! The school is amazing....You can gripe all you want, but as a parent I am so glad that my S chose Wash U........!</p>

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<p>Eh, this is my post from earlier today....my connection died out so here it is (I was still in the heat of the moment. I'd edit it, but that requires too much work. Still, it's cogent.)</p>

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The point is, you linked one school ranking with the "composite ranking". This arguement is flawed because you can't base the "composite ranking" or relate it or link it in any way to just one school.

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<p>How do you get that I was saying the business school explained WashU's ranking?</p>

<p>I SHOWED you my quote where I said I only listed the business school and that other people should go ahead and list their school rankings if interested. </p>

<p>Hello?</p>

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I'm living proof, as are others in this thread, that your assumption is not 100% valid. Sure, some may be bitter, but how about we ask this in a non-WashU forum and you'll see the responses you get.

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<p>I find it funny that you completely ignore anything I say. It's getting really annoying, actually.</p>

<p>Here's what I said when you brought up the fact that you've been accepted to WashU (which I'm starting to doubt more and more):</p>

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Now you can bash Wash. U. without logic and evidence---you're entitled to it!

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<p>And remember when I said this:</p>

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"I didn't like that you ASSUMED all the people saying WashU is overrated are rejects/waitlists. You have to realize that it's possible to hold opinions outside of personal interests."</p>

<p>That's a fair assessment (second sentence), but I never made that claim for everyone. I can read multiple threads (yes, really!), use my multitasking skills, and see that these are the same people who got rejected and bashed Wash. U. purposelessly on another thread.

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<p>That's right! I actually agreed with you! But yet, you're still arguing like I think everyone who bashes WashU got rejected. Congratulations boy, you have the debate skills of Bill O Reilly. </p>

<p>In fact, just for sh-ts and giggles, let me bring up another quote of mine where I made it clear that I don't believe what you're trying to say I believe. (Because clearly, your argument falls apart when you acknowledge that I did NOT make that vast "generalization" you're talking about):</p>

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"A bunch of the informed adults/college kids on this forum who are in no way affiliated with WashU will tell you the same thing."</p>

<p>I don't refute that. Just as there are those who think Duke or whatever is overrated. I just think it's ill-conceived.

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<p>Had enough fact checking?</p>

<p>Ok. You again:</p>

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"Meh. Same points: 1) middle 50% ACT/SAT 2) multiplie program rankings 3) same prestige as similarly ranked schools."</p>

<p>Either talk about all the program rankings or talk about none of them.

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<p>Are you freaking kidding me? Talent level of students doesn't matter. So put an MIT-caliber professor at the University of Arkansas and the school should be ranked with MIT? Right.</p>

<p>Again, you:

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"I specifically said I only listed the business school and political science school because those are the schools I'm attending. I made it clear in the rest of my posts that there were other schools too. "</p>

<p>We're talking about WashU total, so you can't limit the arguement to just your areas of interest."

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<p>Wow. Just wow. You're unbelievable. Once again, you're ignoring what I've said and acting like it didn't happen. Of course you have to take WashU as a total, otherwise it would be ranked 12th like it is in the business program. </p>

<p>Why would I want to hurt WashU's ranking by letting you assume that it's only ranked 11th because of it's business program?</p>

<p>Now wait. Take a deep breath. Think about that above question.</p>

<p>No, no. Don't reply yet. Keep thinking about that question.</p>

<p>As I've explained several times before, and I don't feel like gathering my quotes anymore: If I wanted to help my case even further, I would have listed the medical school rankings etc. that are higher than WashU's 11th ranking. In fact, as I quoted in my last post, I said that other people should post the rankings of their schools in WashU, because it doesn't really apply to me.</p>

<p>You see, if I would have said that the business school clearly shows why WashU is ranked 11th....it would have been very idiotic of me (which is of course what you'd like). But the fact is, I have several quotes where I stated my reasons for not posting the other schools, EVEN if it would have helped me in my argument (for med school, etc.).</p>

<p>** Wait, wait. Read that above paragraph again so you don't come back claiming I'm not looking at the school as a whole. Ok done? Now you can move on.** </p>

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WashU provides a great education, but you can't assume that people who think it shouldn't be rated #11 are rejected/waitlisted.</p>

<p>That's like saying people who don't support the war in Iraq hate America....

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<p>Please see above statements and quotes showing that I didn't assume that all critics were rejected/waitlisted. ** For the love of God, make sure you review those quotes carefully before claiming that I assumed all critics were rejected/waitlisted.**</p>

<p>You again:

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you're confusing the relationships

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<p>No, sir. I'll have to take the initiative and say you're confusing English by claiming I said things I didn't and ignoring relevant parts of my argument--just to serve yours.</p>

<p>Summary:</p>

<p>1) You're claiming I said things I didn't.</p>

<p>2) You're wrong, and you didn't use statistics to back you up in any of your arguments, as you have shown repeatedly. Your argument has consisted of "I don't think it deserves to be ranked where it is" while mine has used statistics and rankings. You've changed your opinion on where it should be ranked from "20-25" to "15-20" </p>

<p>On top of that you can't spell argument right. </p>

<p>3) * And now, your most recent argument doesn't even argue about the topic itself. You're not even trying to support why you think WashU should be ranked lower. Instead, you claim I said things I didn't, despite the fact that I have given you quotes upon quotes showing that you're just trying to misportray what I actually said.</p>

<p>Any questions?</p>

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<p>you've both wasted more than enough energy trying to out-argue/discredit the other person and/or his argument. i'm glad i didn't read all of it. </p>

<p>go outside and play in the sun, if you can tear yourself away from this thread. </p>

<p>talk about ego. this argument went past the point of necessity to the level of just wanting to win it. you might wanna fix your need to win such battles before you attend WashU next year. there are battles that you must fight, for sure. but this was not one of them.</p>

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<p>So we can admit I won? </p>

<p>Ok, thanks.</p>

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<p>You guys are pathetic. Arguing over rankings of different schools, all of which are excellent, is stupid. I didn't read the whole thread, but yeah.. the sheer length of some of these posts are enough to provoke me into telling you that you need to stop worrying so much about a silly number and more about what you plan to do with WashU, if you go. kthnx.</p>

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<p>Is that a "yes, you won" or a "no you didn't?"</p>

<p>hmm?</p>

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<p>Okay, let's get to what needs to be discussed. Not the entry into a college, but the successful EXIT. How good is any college, WashU included, at helping their students get to the next level- a job or grad school? How do you find this information? What's the best criterion? And for my son who wants to pursue computer science and was accepted at WashU, I'm more intersted in what my $$$$$$$$ investment is likely to yield 4 years later. Anyone with that info will be more served than simply trying to evaluate a very difficult admissions process that has each applicant applying to 5-10 colleges. Any help?</p>

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<p>I wasn't trying to kill this thread. Any thoughts on my aforementioned post?</p>

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<p>fj, " Arguing over rankings of different schools, all of which are excellent, is stupid."</p>

<p>To be completely honest... I seriously don't care where WashU is ranked. Like honestly, it's completely not important. My BS detector just went off like crazy when I read the following from johnny:</p>

<p>"sweet!!! were you accepted!?!?</p>

<p>oh wait...</p>

<p>I'm pretty sure if you some of you had been accepted....your positions would be a little....different."</p>

<p>And PS, </p>

<p>"Congratulations boy, you have the debate skills of Bill O Reilly"</p>

<p>Thank you for the Bill comparison, I'm flattered, but don't talk down to me and resort to stuff like that in a debate. Personal attacks prove a lot about your maturity.</p>

<p>"If I wanted to help my case even further, I would have listed the medical school rankings etc. that are higher than WashU's 11th ranking."</p>

<p>I'm glad you researched WashU so well. News flash: NO UNDERGRAD MEDICAL SCHOOL. Woops.</p>

<p>Ok, I'm done with this... it's going no where. I'm glad I'm in at WashU and I'm excited if that's the place I'll end up at.</p>

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<p>sdavis, check out <a href="http://careers.wustl.edu/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://careers.wustl.edu/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>I thought this was done with....guess not. </p>

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fj, " Arguing over rankings of different schools, all of which are excellent, is stupid."</p>

<p>To be completely honest... I seriously don't care where WashU is ranked.

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<p>Right, that's why you decided to spend so much time posting....</p>

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Thank you for the Bill comparison, I'm flattered, but don't talk down to me and resort to stuff like that in a debate. Personal attacks prove a lot about your maturity.

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<p>Oh please, get off your high horse. You have talked down to me throughout this ordeal. Please refer to my last post with all your paradoxical, conflicting, and rude quotes. Second of all, it's the Internet. Would you or I talk to each other the same way in person? Doubt it. My point is, neither of us would act the same way in public, and pretty much everything on the Internet is to be taken lightly.</p>

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I'm glad you researched WashU so well. News flash: NO UNDERGRAD MEDICAL SCHOOL. Woops.

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<p>Who said this debate was limited to undergrad? In addition, I wasn't referring merely to the medical school, I was referring to various undergrad programs taken at Wash U in preparation for med school (biochemistry or whatever). </p>

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Ok, I'm done with this... it's going no where. I'm glad I'm in at WashU and I'm excited if that's the place I'll end up at.

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<p>Let's remind everyone how this got started (and once again, view my last post for a complete review):</p>

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I would personally rank it between 20-25 on US News... not #11. It's still a great school, but don't pretend its one of the elites

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<p>Then I used facts about the middle 50% ACT/SAT and the program rankings, and you tried to use the admissions gag (which doesn't work if the average Wash U student is comparable to #12 Northwestern or #9 Columbia).</p>

<p>Eh, I'm done with it too. I think I've demonstrated my points...about 50 times.</p>

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<p>Overall, Wash U is a GREAT college and should be rated higher than 11—U. S. News and World Report</p>

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<p>"Second of all, it's the Internet. "</p>

<p>Doesn't mean you can be rude.</p>

<p>"Would you or I talk to each other the same way in person? Doubt it. My point is, neither of us would act the same way in public, and pretty much everything on the Internet is to be taken lightly."</p>

<p>Speak for yourself. When debating, I'm like this; I'm a bull in debate/mock trial. :)</p>

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"Second of all, it's the Internet. "</p>

<p>Doesn't mean you can be rude.

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<p>Right back at ya. Notice my full quote included: </p>

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You have talked down to me throughout this ordeal. Please refer to my last post with all your paradoxical, conflicting, and rude quotes.

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<p>It's pretty comical how you're always portraying me as the only one committing a crime. Selective quoting's a beast, eh? </p>

<p>You again:

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Speak for yourself. When debating, I'm like this; I'm a bull in debate/mock trial.

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<p>I pity you. You refuse to use statistics and national reputable rankings to back you up in debate/mock trial (US News, Middle 50% SAT/ACT, program rankings vs. "i just don't think it should be ranked thar. let's argu*e*ment!")?</p>

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<p>"You refuse to use statistics and national reputable rankings to back you up in debate/mock trial (US News, Middle 50% SAT/ACT, program rankings "</p>

<p>I already addressed the middle 50% SAT/ACT.... how do you so quickly forget?</p>

<p>We already talked about program rankings... every undergraduate program we've talked about has been ranked below the #11 mark. (Biz at #12 and Engineering at like #43).
In fact, I was the first to bring up the other rankings... you just wanted to mention Biz and PolySci, rather than mentioning all programs at the Undergrad level.</p>

<p>"Right back at ya. Notice my full quote included: "</p>

<p>I'm not the one being rude. Second of all, I'm not the one who said the Internet as my excuse for being rude.</p>

<p>"It's pretty comical how you're always portraying me as the only one committing a crime. Selective quoting's a beast, eh? "</p>

<p>Because you are... selective quoting has nothing to do with it... you admitted you were being rude because it's "just the internet."</p>

<p>"Who said this debate was limited to undergrad? "</p>

<p>Are you kidding? It's ranked #11 for UNDERGRADUATE.... that's what we've been talking about. Where you been?</p>

<p>"I think I've demonstrated my points...about 50 times."</p>

<p>Just because you "demonstrated" your points, doesn't mean they are right to everyone else... it simply means you can justify them in your head. No one cares how many times you "demonstrate" your points... clearly you haven't convinced me.</p>

<p>You want to talk statistics and as you said "quality of student"</p>

<p>Why is that WashU ranks #15 in terms of % in top 10% of HS class.... I think GPA shows a lot more than SAT.... most adcoms agree. And #15 in Actual Graduation Rate.</p>

<p>"Right, that's why you decided to spend so much time posting...."</p>

<p>That's ironic. After all I read from you was "wha wha wha you are ignoring my posts wha wha wha." You again take what people say and throw it out the window. I clearly said I don't care about what WashU is ranked.</p>

<p>Just like you will only accept that people who think WashU is overrated are rejected/deffered, you think that I care about WashU's ranking. What I do care about is the fallacy of your statements when you connect rejection from WashU with thinking WashU is overrated. If anything, these people would think WashU is overrated because if their "amazing" stats didn't get them in, it must be really really really competitive. That's all that started this.</p>

<p>Simple.</p>