<h1>of high school in california: 1839</h1>
<h1>of high school in virginia: 320</h1>
<p>There are just so many well-qualified students in California than in Virginia.
I don’t have any data for exact number of college applying students, but you get the point.</p>
<p>If it were up to me, I’d like to try keeping the tuition breaks for IS/OOS and getting rid of all the IS/OOS enrollment caps.</p>
<p>Wahoomb writes “UCLA admits a higher percentage of out-of-state students (about 30%). I would lol at the reaction from VA state-legislators if this were the case.”</p>
<p>The Wash Post article stated that UVA currently admits 33% oos. </p>
<p>Wahoomb writes “Because if a student doesn’t get into UVA, W&M and Virginia, s/he WILL be forced to leave the Commonwealth to receive a quality education.
Sorry JMU, VCU, GMU, VMI, etc, your schools offer a sub-par education and the children of Virginia will have to flee should they be forced to attend one of your institutions.
RIDICULOUS”</p>
<p>I think you can receive a quality education at all of those other Virginia universities but you are ignoring reputation/prestige. If the reputation/prestige of the school was irrelevant in the real world then the number of students applying to Ivy League schools would drop significantly. So, if a Va resident aspires for a degree from a “prestigious” university and does not get accepted to the three schools mentioned above then yes they do look at more expensive OOS schools. For example, my son will be majoring in computer science. If he’s not able to get into Va Tech or UVA I’d prefer he attend Ga Tech or Maryland College Park than JMU, GMU, VCU or VMI.</p>
<p>Hi Chris, I think you read wrong – UVA enrolls 33% OOS but admits Less than 30% OOS. In 2008 the rate was slightly under 30% and the rate has dropped since the common app was adopted to between 22-24%.
[IAS</a> Historical Data: First-Time First-Year Applicants by Residency](<a href=“http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/historical/admission/first_by_residency.htm]IAS”>http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/historical/admission/first_by_residency.htm)
[Campus</a> Overload - College acceptance rates down](<a href=“http://voices.washingtonpost.com/campus-overload/2010/04/college_acceptance_rates_down.html]Campus”>http://voices.washingtonpost.com/campus-overload/2010/04/college_acceptance_rates_down.html)</p>
<p>Hi,Chris, My guess would be that if you think your son is competitive for Georgia Tech, he should be able to be successful in at least one of your preferred Virginia schools(UVA or VT). I know the whole admissions thing can be stressful for both parent and child. Good luck to your son!</p>
<p>Hi, Chris, if you do not get accepted to UVA or Vtech(as an in-state student), the chances are very slim that you get accepted into prestigious school anywhere else in the US.
Simply put, your stats are just not competitive enough to attend a prestigious school.</p>
<p>Hazelorb had alluded to other state’s flagship’s admissions policies; if you knew how some states work, I think you’d really appreciate how UVA at least tries to admit the most qualified students based solely on their statistics and resume.</p>
<p>Case in point…UT guarantees admission to ANYONE in the top 8% regardless of test scores, coursework, etc. There are kids at rigorous privates and very challenging publics who fall outside of that top 8% who have 2200+ on their SAT’s, 4.0 UW, etc. who are passed over for kids from larger, inner-city publics with oftentimes EXTREMELY inferior stats. Fair? No. UT itself has been opposed to the top 10% (now 8%) rule because so many of the students simply aren’t equipped to handle it when they get there. The mandate comes from the state in effort to ensure diversity. Although our D was in the top 8% and could have gone, UT was simply too big and did not appeal to her.</p>
<p>Can you imagine the backlash if UVa did this? If very few kids outside of the top 8% at reputable privates or well-known NoVa publics were accepted to UVa, there would be a lynch mob. Again, UVa has it right…admit the brightest and most-qualified.</p>
<p>Hi Hazelorb - I’m not sure whether I really understand the proposal that makes it annual rounds in the legislature. I can see from the 2008 stats that the offer rate for oos is significantly lower than in-state but I think the argument is about the total % of offers to oos versus is. For example, 3466 is and 3269 oos. The in-state applicants accept at a higher rate than oos so the overall enrollment for 2008 was 2183 in-state of a total 3257 or 67%. My understanding was that they wanted the in-state enrollment to go up from 67% to 75%. Am I missing something?</p>
<p>Thank you Hazerlorb, that’s exactly what I meant.</p>
<p>Hi SevMom - Yes, I think he’ll be qualified for Va Tech Engineering or UVA but I’m not counting on either. If he doesn’t get into those schools or Ga Tech or Maryland then he’ll have to take advantage of the community college transfer. He’ll be fine either way.</p>
<p>His018 - I don’t agree with your assumption especially with regards to the Engineering school at Va Tech. I know of applicants that were rejected at Va Tech and accepted at Ga Tech. I know of applicants rejected at UVA but accepted at UPenn. Also, several Penn residents rejected at Penn State but accepted at UVA. I’m sure there were particular reasons why an applicant’s particular grades, SAT or essay were on the cusp at one university but just good enough at another.</p>
<p>I’m not a foaming-at-the-mouth advocate of the in-state application proposal. But, I don’t think it would be the end of the world either. Personally, I don’t think that oos necessarily enhances diversity. Suburb PA = Suburb VA = Suburb MD etc. There are more differences between rural and suburb applicants and the greatest diversity comes from the international students.</p>
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<p>OOS for UVA means more than PA and MD suburbs. It is NY, CA, MA, TX, IL, GA, FL, just to name those on one sons floor. Students from these areas (suburbs, city, rural) are not all the same. I understand your point ChrisTKD, but that is not the case at UVA, even students from other states from suburbs bring a different culture and viewpoint. Thomas Jefferson understood this and encouraged the University to welcome those from other states to attend. It is amazing the difference it makes to the learning and living environment.</p>
<p>Woosah writes “I understand your point ChrisTKD, but that is not the case at UVA, even students from other states from suburbs bring a different culture and viewpoint. Thomas Jefferson understood this and encouraged the University to welcome those from other states to attend. It is amazing the difference it makes to the learning and living environment.”</p>
<p>It’s all a question of perspective I guess. I’ve been fortunate to travel quite a bit internationally (as well as domestically) and the differences that you are talking about seem relatively minor. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. </p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to read my posts. I don’t really have anything else to add to this thread so I’ll just read from now on.</p>
<p>"Personally, I don’t think that oos necessarily enhances diversity. Suburb PA = Suburb VA = Suburb MD etc. "</p>
<p>I totally agree with you.</p>
<p>The 75% would be ENROLLMENT not ADMITTANCE</p>
<p>“Can you imagine the backlash if UVa did this? If very few kids outside of the top 8% at reputable privates or well-known NoVa publics were accepted to UVa, there would be a lynch mob. Again, UVa has it right…admit the brightest and most-qualified.”</p>
<p>Frankly, I think many in VA would be thrilled if they were guaranteed admission to UVa if they were in the top 8% of their graduating class. At our NOVA HS school, very few outside of the top 5% are accepted to UVa. Although the official UVa stats say only 88.5% of the first year class (2009-10) were in the top 10% of their high school graduating class – meaning approx. 380 were not – I strongly suspect that number is skewed by recruited athletes and those among the 250+ students accepted from the top-rated Thomas Jefferson magnet high school who were outside of the top 10% of their class and matriculated at UVa. </p>
<p>Of course, if the top 8% in the state were guaranteed admission, something would really have to give! Based on numbers from the VA DOE website, there were over 87,000 HS graduates in the Commonwealth last year, so 8% would be approximately 7,000 guaranteed admits from VA. Last year approximately 7,900 IS students applied to UVa, but only 3,380 were accepted – or about 3.9% VA HS seniors! The total number of admits IS and OOS were slightly less than 7,000 (6,907). </p>
<p>There may be some misconception of the competitiveness of UVa for IS students because of the relatively high admit rate for IS applications – 42.4% in 2010 according to Dean J’s blog. That figure is misleading, though, because most IS students understand what it takes to be competitive and don’t bother to apply if they are not in the top decile of their class, with good test scores and a solid record of AP/IB classes – yet even within that pool, more are rejected than accepted. </p>
<p>None of this is to say I agree with the pending legislation to further reduce the OOS populations at Virginia’s public colleges and universities. I don’t. I do disagree with the suggestion that the credentials of the current OOS students are substantially better than those of the Virginians. For the most part, suburban kid’s credentials are competitive with the OOS kids. But, UVa is a state school for all of Virginia, not just NOVA and the suburban areas of the Tidewater, Richmond, Roanoke, etc. In some of the smaller school districts where students have less access to AP classes, SAT prep classes, etc., the paper credentials may be slightly lower, but the admissions committee has years of experience reading between the lines of applications to ferret out applicants with substantial promise, if afforded an opportunity.</p>
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<p>I completely disagree with this statement. Ninth grade was the first time I really bonded with kids from completely different areas. I went on a NOLS trip and spent the month with 8 other kids I had never met from all over the US. I can say that I experienced culture shock. On the trip, there were kids from Arizona, California, and Alaska. Though this sounds like baloney (yes, baloney) - they really were different and added a different flair than the NY’ers I’m used to. </p>
<p>Let me just throw out this one personal example from my own house. I’ve always noticed that my dad is constantly sprinting. Like, when I’m walking with him in the mall, I’ve got to throw on my jogging suit to keep up (obviously an exaggeration, but seriously). My brothers, sister and I coined a term to describe this habit - the “NYS” or “New York Sprint”. It is actually rather comical to see how different the, I’m not quite sure what to call it, habits? morals?, are of a a NY’er than of other states. When I visited UVA, it seemed as if he had a twitch when we were walking on the campus. He constantly was trying to weave around people and sprint ahead of everyone. </p>
<p>Though this isn’t a major difference between OOS and IS students, I definitely think that OOS students do add some diversity.</p>
<p>The people who think suburban PA = suburban VA = suburban NJ are the ones who also probably think that Mexicans = Chileans = Argentines…so I’m not even going to bother…</p>
<p>That is another great point wahoomb.</p>
<p>wahoomb “The people who think suburban PA = suburban VA = suburban NJ are the ones who also probably think that Mexicans = Chileans = Argentines…so I’m not even going to bother…”</p>
<p>Your presumption is incorrect. The difference in world view between the average suburban American pales in comparison to the potential differences between Americans and those from other countries. I don’t know of any kids in American suburbia that are communists, anarchists or advocates of a religious government. I debated these issues with people in Spain (communists), in Spain (anarchist), and Turkey (young Islamic student). How many kids from suburbia question basic tenets of the American form of government and economics, e.g., democracy and free markets? I’ve debated capitalism with socialists in France and also Scandanavian countries who are able to provide coherent arguments supported with facts. I know of people in Singapore that were quite happy without democracy. But most American kids from suburbia think that we’re number one! Huzza!</p>
<p>A suburban kid is unlikely to know the meaning of true poverty (or for that matter anyone in the U.S.). Go to the smaller cities and towns of Bangladesh, it is an enlightening experience. I don’t know of any kid in suburbia that doesn’t have advantages or opportunities that are not available to some other people in the world. How many kids in the U.S. would ever say “We are a poor country; we don’t have the political or economic institutions that make it easy to succeed; we are surrounded by enemies; we do not have any natural resources; we are not smarter than you or more innovative…so we will out-work you. If you work 8 hours we will work ten; if you work 12 we will work 14. We will work until we pee blood but we will succeed.” I never heard that anywhere in the U.S., but I did hear it in Korea.</p>
<p>“A suburban kid is unlikely to know the meaning of true poverty (or for that matter anyone in the U.S.”</p>
<p>My friends from international schools at UVA didn’t know the meaning of poverty either. They were all upper-class in their countries, for the most part all did the IB program, and the ones from the same country all knew each other through family connections and their last names. I learned a lot from them. I also learned a lot from my friend from San Diego, CA and from my friends from the tri-state area. Most kids at UVA are privileged, I don’t know the statistic, but the average annual parent income is pretty high for a public university. AccessUVA is a great way to diversify the university in terms of SES, but we are not all that diverse in that regard. I wish we admitted the poor Moroccan peasant or the hard-working Colombian kid who was subjected to child labor, however, they will not have had the same educational opportunities as their rich counterparts and things like the SAT and even the English language will forever remain off-limits to them.</p>