Wellesley vs Duke?

<p>I've spent days looking at reviews, stats, and videos until my brain wants to explode, so I'd love to hear someone else's opinion.</p>

<p>Wellesleys appeal is its gorgeous natural campus, tight-knit community (closeness with professors), alumni network, and proximity to Boston. Dukes appeal is its variety of student activities and research opportunities, DukeEngage, social scene, and work-hard-play-hard mentality. </p>

<p>My major is undecided, but I'll definitely be doing something humanities-based and my interests are hugging trees and saving walruses - you know, environmental conservation and policies and such.</p>

<p>I'm wondering mainly about campus atmosphere, social scene, and job-placement after graduation. Any opinions? Thanks!!</p>

<p>I have so much to say on this topic. Message me if I forget to answer this question in detail.</p>

<p>The schools are so different that I can’t imagine that you don’t have a preference.</p>

<p>This is a decision only you can make.</p>

<p>Cute! “my interests are hugging trees and saving walruses”</p>

<p>Wellesley vs Duke. Feel free to PM me if you want more details about my thoughts, but I have a feeling this could turn into a rather long post.</p>

<p>First, yes Wellesley and Duke are two very different schools with two very different cultures. That is something that took me until I was a college student to realize. Looking at both schools in high school for undergrad, they sounded more or less the same to me. The brochures both had pictures of beautiful campuses and happy students. Everyone I met at various admissions events was really nice and friendly. And both schools had classes/majors I wanted to study. So, how do I tell them apart? Which one is better for me?</p>

<p>Well, if you can visit Wellesley for Spring Open Campus and Duke for Blue Devil Days GO GO GO. I don’t know if they’re on the same weekend (Wellesley’s is next Monday and Tuesday as I’m sure you know), but visiting is a great great great way to see what the schools are like. You can sit in on classes, talk with students, and see what your life could be like for the next four years.</p>

<p>Now, on to my breakdowns about the schools. Please read this with a grain of salt as I only attended Wellesley and cannot speak 100% about experiences at Duke. However, I have many experiences at Duke (at both the undergrad and graduate levels), so I can at least provide a close outsider perspective. Again, message me if you want more details.</p>

<p>Undergraduate Academics:
Wellesley is really really tight knit when it comes to academics. Students CARE about their classwork and CARE about attending class and getting the most out of lectures, attending professors’ office hours, getting together in study groups, etc. Academics reigns at Wellesley and students take every advantage they can out of that. Professors at Wellesley go out of their ways to help you – now, that doesn’t mean classes will be easy. Classes and professors will challenge you to think and act outside of your comfort zones, force you to face perspectives you might never have considered before, and are ultimately holistic educational experiences made to push you to explore academic thought. Keep in mind, ALL Wellesley courses are taught by Professors. Students do help out with extra tutoring and help, but all of your classes will be taught by professors who care about you as students and as individuals. Your classes will be small (I’d say on average about 15-20, but don’t be surprised if you have classes at 10-12 or fewer either) and nurturing environments, highly discussion based depending on the department.</p>

<p>Duke is a university and as such, most of their resources are funneled into the graduate departments (and to athletics). At the undergraduate level, especially in your freshman year, your classes will be larger than Wellesley’s. Your introductory classes will be largely lecture based, and while your lectures may be taught by professors, ultimately your grades will be given out based on which graduate teaching assistant is teaching your section. Yes, that means when it comes down to your grades, a graduate student will be the one by and large determining what goes on your transcript. This may just be for the introductory courses, as I’m sure at upper level classes you’ll have more professor contact, but freshman/sophomore years if you need help with a homework assignment or class material, you will go to the graduate student assigned to your course. The professor is there for the lecture portion of the course of course, but their main focus is on creating their own research. Beyond that, keep in mind the focus of students in your classes – as a Division 1 school, some students might be focused solely on academics and other students may have different priorities when it comes to their college experiences. </p>

<p>Location:
The town of Wellesley is very very safe. I have walked around Wellesley town and campus at all hours of the day/night and I have never felt unsafe. There are many restaurants in the Ville now (many more have popped up over the past two-three years) and you have most everything you need. There’s a shuttle to the Natick Mall (the largest mall in New England) & other shopping areas, movie theater, etc. And of course, there’s Boston. Boston is one of the best cities to go to college in – beyond the academic connections Wellesley has with multiple colleges in the area, the social aspect of having hundreds of colleges around is amazing. There’s really no other city like it – you have so many activities all catered to students like you! And don’t forget, being close to Boston means you can join in on extracurricular or volunteer activities in the city and you can interview for summer internships and jobs at basically any time. You can go in-person to see companies, meet recruiters, etc which is all immensely helpful in the long-run in building your network.</p>

<p>Duke: Durham is a place you have to visit to see if it’s right for you. Keep in mind that once you get to campus, you won’t really leave (unless you’re going to party at the beaches after finals week) & there’s not much beyond the campus anyways. While the Duke campus is beautiful and safe in its own right (mainly East and West campuses; Central is a bit more gritty – don’t walk around at night by yourself. Take the shuttles that go between East and West campuses), Durham itself is frankly, a bit sketchy, especially at night. There’s more or less everything you need though – Ninth Street has a ton of restaurants and Shooter’s (for when you turn 21! – do ride the mechanical bull though), and the university itself has a bunch of restaurants on campus though some are closing this year so I’ll just list McDonalds, Au Bon Pain, and Panda Express here. One thing about Durham is that you need a car to get around – most of the campus shuts down on Saturdays, so you’ll have to get your own food, etc. There’s a Whole Foods next to East Campus where all the freshmen live, but after that, you’ll appreciate a car. However, getting a spot in a parking lot close to campus is difficult – there’s some sort of lottery system to divvy that up but you could end up a 15 minute walk from campus when parking your car. Being in Durham also means you’re a 2-3 hr flight to New York City or Boston. Depending on your career aspirations, the Research Park Triangle could be a great place to be (but again, you need a car to get there) – many students get summer internships and jobs there. You also have pretty easy access to Atlanta and Washington DC.</p>

<p>Social Life:
Wellesley, to me, is a place where you can choose how social you want to be. Yes, that’s arguably true of any school, but I found that there are students who are very social and go out a lot and there are others who stay on-campus and hang out with a few friends watching TV on Friday night (and everyone in between). Whichever way you prefer, there are people at Wellesley who are also that way. No one will pressure you to be one way or another; you just find which group or groups of people you mesh well with.</p>

<p>Duke is very social. As you said it’s a work hard, play hard environment – and let me emphasize the “play hard” aspect of that. Fraternities/sororities and athletics (mainly basketball) rule everything. Rush if you want, but make sure you pick the “right” sorority as that reputation will follow you throughout your time at Duke. If you don’t like basketball now, you’ll have to learn to like it enough to watch a few games. Cameron Stadium is an amazing place – and some people get more into the basketball scene than others (Cameron Crazies are ridiculous and are only found at Duke!) – and you’ll have memories there that can only be found at Duke (tenting, etc). But after awhile the charm of basketball can wear off and you’ll have to find other activities to occupy yourself (most Dukies end up at the gym all the time).</p>

<p>Career Choices:
Both schools are great and both schools will get you to where you want to go. I personally feel like this area is a draw between the schools. Wellesley may recruit more to Boston/NYC and Duke may recruit more to DC/Atlanta, but in general, both schools can get you anywhere. I wouldn’t base your decision off this particular point.</p>

<p>I hope that helps a bit. One thing for me having been back to Duke while I was still a Wellesley student and again after graduation, I can say that I wouldn’t change my Wellesley experience for anything. To be a part of the Wellesley NETWORK (which has helped me in so many ways both professionally and personally) is something I have yet to find at any other school. It really is true that Wellesley alums will do anything to help you, wherever you are, whether they’ve met you before or not. </p>

<p>One thing of note: Wellesley is a college while Duke is a university. Someone on these boards told me many years ago that I only have one chance to go to Wellesley; if I want to go to [University XYZ] later, I still can go there for graduate school. Just a thought.</p>

<p>Ultimately though you have to figure out where you’ll fit in better. Wellesley and Duke, as has already been mentioned in this thread, are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT cultures. Visit and I think you’ll see what we’re talking about. On paper I can resonate with you that everything starts to look the same, but visiting really makes a huge difference in making this decision.</p>

<p>Best of luck – feel free to reach out if you have any more questions or want to know about something I haven’t touched upon here. Hopefully my long rambling helps a little bit. And do let us know what you decide!</p>

<p>I’d love to visit, but unfortunately I’m an international student so it’s just too inconvenient and costly at this point in time. Still, thanks for writing with such detail! The more I read about the schools, the more questions I actually have :)</p>

<p>My current impressions of these schools are that at Wellesley I’d be more comfortable (less social pressure) and more outgoing and self-assertive (due to the small class sizes) - overall able to thrive and possibly stand-out academically. However, but because of the small campus I’m concerned the environment is literally too ‘limited’ (in terms of resources/opportunities), and because of the lack of boys I may become ‘lazy’ socially. I like parties, but only a couple times a month, and I’m worried I’d unconsciously become more reclusive from guys.</p>

<p>On the other hand, I feel as if Duke will have a larger breadth of opportunity to explore my interests (since they have a whole school dedicated to studying the environment), and that its multitude of student organizations would help me become more dynamic and independent. However, I do think because of the size I’d simply blend into the white noise. I like that it has a very active social scene, but again, I like a quiet night watching movies just as much as a party. Another concern was that recent statistics showed Duke graduates having a 19% unemployment rate ([Compare</a> Post-Graduation Plans By School](<a href=“Student Loans - NerdWallet”>Student Loans - NerdWallet)=129&id=&id=&id=). </p>

<p>I know everyone has unique experiences, but how true would you say my current judgments are? It’s hard to form grounded opinions when I can’t visit the schools themselves, I know. The thing is, I’m really open-minded to both schools, whether it be an all-girls environment or the wild school-spirited scene. So my personal preference is honestly split in half.</p>

<p>Additionally, I’d also like to ask: how much did Boston (God bless) contribute to your Wellesley life? I’m just wondering how significant it is to have a large highly-cultured city thriving with entertainment and employment opportunities nearby. I recently read an interview with Adam Grant (Wharton professor) that said “people tend of overestimate the importance of location” or something when it comes to work, so I hope I’m not over-thinking it.</p>

<p>Thanks so much again, I sincerely appreciate the time you’ve put into this :)</p>

<p>Location is everything. Again this is just my experience, but visiting Duke instantly told me it wasn’t the place for me for undergrad. And it told me that Wellesley was.</p>

<p>Boston played a huge role in my college experience. I wasn’t there every day but I had access to other schools – their students, clubs, academics, graduate schools, etc. And I was able to interview for jobs the same day they called.</p>

<p>At Duke, from my friends’ experiences, you do have a great group of friends on campus because really, there’s not much else besides the campus there. You don’t have the lure of a city to draw you away so you’ll be really passionate about your campus activities and sports. But for recruiting, the onus will be on you if you’re not looking to go into banking, consulting in NYC (finance) or the mid Atlantic, generally speaking.</p>

<p>Do you have friends at either school or can you get in touch with current students who study what you want to be studying? They will be able to give you a current student’s perspective on things. I’m happy to connect you with Wellesley students or Mariecc might as well (she knows more current students than I do!)</p>

<p>The advantage of having a graduate school connected to the university in your area of study is only an advantage if you make it one. Taking classes, being in research labs, etc can be helpful in figuring out your career but you have to want to put in that time. I didn’t have that at Wellesley campus, but through Wellesley I was able to connect with departments at other Boston schools to facilitate classes and research. Those connections have proven invaluable to me over the past many years and through that I was also able to experience another university during my undergrad experience – that in itself helped a lot when picking out grad schools since I had a better sense of what I was looking for.</p>