Wellesley vs. Williams vs. Amherst

<p>Hey people! my friend from China has applied to all three of these top LACs as well as HYPS. I think she has a very good chance in gaining admission to at least all three of these LACs cos’ she’s got truly amazing stats, ECs plus she’s an Olympic gymnast representing China. Since she does not have access to the internet (due to the recent earthquake in Tai Wan), she would like me to ask you all how the prestige factor varies among these three LACs, because she has a feeling that although HYPS are internationally famed, she would personally much prefer a smaller school for college, since she will definitely go to a grad school 4 years later any way.</p>

<p>In reality, to be honest, Wellesley’s the more well-known of the 3 in Asia compared to Williams and Amherst. But maybe the all-women factor is holding her back a bit. What do you guys say?</p>

<p>Prestige-wise Amherst, Williams and Wellesley are all top tier. US News and World has them ranked Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, and then Wellesley but all 3 have outstanding programs and professors, a great undergraduate experience. In terms of admissions to graduate schools I would rate them all equally, individual departments may be stronger at some of the schools but overall they lay a good foundation for entrance into a top graduate school. In terms of enviornment Amherst is the smallest of the three at about 1600 students while Williams and Wellesley have about 2000. Williams is more isolated than either of the other two; Amherst has the 5 Colleges and Wellesley has Boston not too far away. If your friend gets admitted to any of these seven schools she can't go wrong, all top tier, prestigious and with beautiful campuses.</p>

<p>Strictly speaking, Top 3 LAC refers to Amherst, Williams and Swarthmore. Not Wellesley. This is not a knock on Wellesley, I am aware that it is unnecessary to try and rank top 5~6 LACs because the difference is minimal; Wellesley could be considered a tier underneath AWS by some. Again, the difference is minimal, but as far as prestige goes, US News Rankings have sort of created the top 3 trench where only Amherst Williams and Swarthmore are part of. As a result, Wellesley, and to a greater extent Pomona, are not always getting their school's worth.</p>

<p>Welleley is well known by Chinese because of the Madam Chiang Kai-Sei.</p>

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Strictly speaking, Top 3 LAC refers to Amherst, Williams and Swarthmore. Not Wellesley. This is not a knock on Wellesley, I am aware that it is unnecessary to try and rank top 5~6 LACs because the difference is minimal; Wellesley could be considered a tier underneath AWS by some. Again, the difference is minimal, but as far as prestige goes, US News Rankings have sort of created the top 3 trench where only Amherst Williams and Swarthmore are part of. As a result, Wellesley, and to a greater extent Pomona, are not always getting their school's worth.

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<p>haha I hate this whole US News ranking system.
I've seen other rankings where Wellesley was #1 LAC</p>

<p>Anyway, Amherst, Williams, and Wellesley are pretty much equal when it comes to prestige. Which one is better just comes down to personal opinion.</p>

<p>It's like asking if Princeton, Harvard, or Yale is more prestigious-- you can argue it for all three ways.</p>

<p>^^If we are talking about HYP, then I think, in regards to prestige, most people would say Harvard. Some still haven't heard of Princeton.</p>

<p>It is unfortunate that your friend lives in China and will likely need to make a choice without having ever set foot on campus. I think it is laudable that your friend has checked out American LACs so carefully as there are no real counterparts (except a few in Canada) in other parts of the world. Most countries have a national university (or a few) that is considered the top school and everyone appliles to it. Even more commonly, particularly in Europe, students apply to the university closest to them and often live at home. Her interest in LACs suggests that she has a certain self-awareness of her particular educational style, needs, and goals that many internationals may not have simply because they do not have a LAC frame of reference.</p>

<p>I am a big advocate of the "fit" of a college for a particular student. I have made this case on on postings of other colleges (particularly some Ivys), and have been criticized by some for it. I think one of the great advantages of the American college system is the many different types of choices for undergraduate education available to top students. I personally believe going to college is to get an education rather than a degree. I have recommended students to ask themselves: given who they are, where do they think they can learn best and grow the most as a person? For some, HYP or other top universities are the answer; for others, a top LAC would be a better fit. </p>

<p>I know that Asians and Asian-Americans are overly concerned about "prestige" (I am one of the latter); however, your most precious asset is your time. You are investing four years of your life at a critical stage. Where will you get the best educational experience?</p>

<p>As someone has pointed out, Wellesley is famous because Madame Chang, a member of perhaps the most politically influential family in China in her time and the public face of the Chinese government during the Second World War attended Wellesley. However, I know that some of the other seven sister schools, especially Smith and Mount Holyoke, are also well-known as they sponsored students from China and had influential alumni in China when educational opportunities were very limited for women.</p>

<p>Although, I think HYP may win more cross-admits over AWS, it is not that uncommon for students to choose the latter. In my freshman wing of twelve students at Amherst, two students were accepted by Yale (one of whom I met during acceptee week there) and another by Harvard. Another student's father was a noted professor at Yale who I believe applied to Amherst E.D. As an outstanding scholar-athlete (like your friend), he later attended Yale Medical School. In my high school, several classmates chose Haverford, Swarthmore, and Vassar over MIT, MIT, and Harvard, respectively. Although I pointed out that it is an Asian phenomenon, in general, I think on CC, the typical applicant seems to be much more impressed by the prestige or name recognition of the college rather than "fit" and quality of education.</p>

<p>FYI, my high school friend who chose Vassar over Harvard later went to Stanford Law and is a partner in arguably the most prestigious firm in D.C. Top students who choose excellent LACs and do well in that environment enter top graduate/professional schools. Another argument for college "fit" for student.</p>

<p>wow, it's really great to hear about your friend who did well at a "lesser" school- i think the school i most want to go to right now (however I haven't visited many) is one my gc rated a safety for me, so hopefully that will work out for me
i applied to all three of the above schools, and of the three, due to the perfectionist rep of wellesley and the fact I know someone amazing from amherst, amherst is my fav</p>

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^^If we are talking about HYP, then I think, in regards to prestige, most people would say Harvard. Some still haven't heard of Princeton.

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<p>I don't think prestige has much to do with what the bus driver or car repair man knows/thinks.</p>

<p>yeah this whole thread has been confusing PRESTIGE with POPULARITY</p>

<p>wellsley is worse</p>

<p>pshh Wellsley is probably pretty bad because it doesn't exist, but we all know Well*e*sley is the best.</p>

<p>haha! Well said, ohh miss zanna! WELLESLEY rocks!</p>

<p>who would want to go to an all girls school - it is not the college experience. I can understand going over schools that are not as academically well percieved, but to choose it over amherst/williams seems ludacris.</p>

<p>ludacris lol</p>

<p>lmao I caught that too Ernie :]</p>

<p>Generally for LACS
1. SWAP
2. Wellsley, Carleton, Middlebury, Bowdoin
..and so on</p>

<p>With the three you mentioned, generally Williams and Amherst are considered to be a cut above Wellsley</p>

<p>whats p in swap?</p>

<p>assuming the swa is swarthmore williams and amherst</p>

<p>pomona maybe?</p>