Wharton ED chance- Please help

<p>I've actually posted this in Upenn forum as well, but i tot some of you dont go there so i mite post here as well.. </p>

<p>Let me say this first, i know wharton will be a VERY big reach for me, but i really really like it, and would still like to give it a try. I've actually posted once very long ago, but i was very inactive after that so i didnt have much response. So here I am again, hope you guys don't mind. SO, heres' my stats</p>

<p>International Student: Asian/Chinese( Born in malaysia, moved to Hong Kong at 4)
Speaks Mandarin at home, but is fluet in Cantonese(you can call it a dialect or something) and my English is alright, Ill probably be able to get good toefl grades. I also know two other chinese dialects, but not fluently.</p>

<p>Private School, Full IB diploma (we send around 5-10 to Ivies each year, but only a few have went to harvard so far, but around 1-3 get accept to Upenn every year, so i gues they know our school, its actualy quite famous in Hong Kong)</p>

<p>Rank: No rank, but i believe im around 10-25th, really hard to determine tho (we have like 98 studetns i think)</p>

<p>SAT1: 800m 580 CR 600 WR, Total:1980 (yes i noe they suck, but hey.. im just not THAT good at eng.. and i didnt study at all, so i believe i can improve next time) will retake in Oct, and wil mass study this summer, hopefully get at least 2100, aiming 2200 0.0 seriously trying.</p>

<p>SAT2: Chinese 800, Math 2c 730 Physics 680 (yes i noe the math is not good, and the phy basically sucks. but i did them during april in my junior year, when i havent covered all the materials for phy yet, for math, i just needa study for the next one) will retake in nov, but they probably wont see the score if i ED, hopefully they can ignore the 680 T_T sicne they look at the two 'highest' score</p>

<p>Alright, my transcript now</p>

<p>During my fresh and soph year, i did the IGCSE, the cambridge thingy if anyone noe...... anyways.... heres the breakdown
the grades are 7-A* 6-A 5-B..</p>

<p>Freshman
Eng 5 (its actualyl two components, lit and lang, but they just give u a single grade)
Chinese First language 7
Additional Math (the harder one) 6
Geography 7 or 6 i think... i cant remem..
History 7
IT 7 or 6.. cant remme soz... i can verify in a few days tho..
Co-ordinated science (phy bio chem) 7
PE 6 or 7.. but this rlly doesnt matter, cuz its just our school requirement.</p>

<p>2nd semester
OK, THERES A MAJOR DIP IN GRADES HERE FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON.
Eng 4
Chinese 6
Add math 5
GEO 6
His 6
IT 6
Sci 6
PE 6</p>

<p>I hav no clue wat happen, and am tempted to make up sth to explain it... : P</p>

<p>Sophomore
Eng 5
Chinese 7
Add math 6
Geo 6 or 7... ill verify in a few days (i think its 6)
HIs 5 (bad.. sicne it went from 7-5.. sigh...)
IT 7
PE -watever.. 6 or 7</p>

<p>Eng 5
Chinese 7
Add math 6
Geo 7
history 6
IT 7
Sci 7</p>

<p>And for the examination.. i got a B for my Eng lit exam, 6 A Geo, IT, Sci,, Chinese, eng lang (it counts as two grades, its 'double award', which means u get an A, u get 2 A), and 3 A* for add math, extended math (the easy one, which we covered the materials in the early fresh and grade 8, but most ppl take it in our year, with some taking an even easier one),
so its 1B 6A 3 A*, most ppl only hav 9 grades tho, cuz mayn doesnt take add math.</p>

<p>Junior IB (they are not tht great..)
i take chinese A1 Stand, English A2 stand, ITGS stand (yes i noe this is a joker subject, but i was stupid back then), HL math, HL phy, HL econ</p>

<p>Chinese 6
Eng 6
ITGS 6
Phy 7
Econ 6
Math 5 (yes sucks...)
Tok Good
2nd term( i havent looked, but i noe wat i will AT LEAST get</p>

<p>Eng 6 (very unlikely for 7)
chinese 6 (hav chances for 7)
ITGS 6 (have chances for 7)
Phy 7
Econ 7
Math 6 (hav chances ofr 7)
Tok duno. (maybe satisfactory)</p>

<p>OK.. i noe they mite not look too good, i actualyl got the 'acheivement award' for ITGS and my eng subject.. but theres only 7-8 ppl in each class :P</p>

<p>Now its the EC time. dont laugh ur ass off tho.. THEY ARE EXTREMELY WEAK AND I WANAN KILL MYSELF FOR THT. but im mentioning everything i can think of, despite of its value.</p>

<p>Chinese writer, co-editor, editor for student led School magazine. founding member (10,11, will continue, so 12)</p>

<p>Co-ordiantor of elementary tutoring (in school) (11, mite be 12?)</p>

<p>TREATS (interatcing/teaching handicapped teenagers (11, dont htink 12)</p>

<p>POSSIBLY SCHOOL NEWS PAPER NEXT YEAR (12)</p>

<p>Interact Finance member(9, 10) charity fundraising year long activity</p>

<p>and theres a whole bunch of small community service of different kind over the years. walkathons.. food drive.. helper at fashion show for charity.. helper at charity fair for children... helper for unicef.. book drive for philipines school... inter house hockey (playing against other class, not worth mentioning), swiming gala participant, school fair helper... community service for natural habitat... all of these are pretty short activities tho... longest are like a few weeks, but most are like 1 week, or one day.. but it seems tht most of them are 'community service' ish activities...
yes i noe they are bad.... i cant imagine ppl starting up business etc...
By the way, does hobby count? i kinda read a lot these past few years, financial related books or novels, and write as well, but most chinese. and does using the cpu a lot (surfin net, research, read, chat) counts??</p>

<p>Summer :Columbia summer school (11, whjich is NOW) a business non graded/non-credit course, will work at a law firm in malaysia as well after this. </p>

<p>Awards (suck as well)
Honour roll (10,11, wil have 12 but they wont see)
head of year commendation (10,11)(just getting a certain no. of pts, theres a higher one, which means im not tht good sicne i didnt get it.)
Ill possibly get the higher one in my mid year report, which they wont see if i get flatout rejected</p>

<p>Academic acheivment award for ITGS and Eng (11) only hav 8 ppl in each class.... nth significant at all...
THTs PRACTICALY IT.. but ive actualyl scored some 'decent' scores on those world math quiz like AMC, or w.e waterloo or w.e stuff.. but i dont think it makes a different, or maybe they arent 'decent' at all</p>

<p>Recs: Econ teacher (will be very good), not sure about another one.. not sure who to askk.. possibly my math teacher n ill try my best to make it good. or i can ask my itgs teacher whihc will be very good, but itgs is not nice at all. n they probbaly want a math rec instead. or i can ask phy, but not sure about the quality..... but i assume they will be 'good', at least nto to the extend wehre ill be hurt or nething. maybe not impresssive only...</p>

<p>Counselor: Trying everything to make it very good, i think could be quite good, will work on our relation in senior year.</p>

<p>Essay:im working on my second draft for both of them. i really like my Why penn one, at least i think its quite good...says wat i rlly think...
the other is good as well i think. it captures a 'moment' in life, gona make it pg 217 or first experience, suitbale for both. i guess they are original.</p>

<p>ok.. thts it... i guess. im first generation to go to college. but my bro n sis have went, Sis graduated at UIUC acturial science, and bro is at CMU computer science.</p>

<p>Lets assume my sat is 2100.. i have confidence it will.. what will be my chances?? i noe u guys will be honest... and i do noe i have a very low chance even if i ED wharton... im actually thinking of econ CAS instead.. will my cahcne be slightly higher???? THANKS FOR READING UP TO HERE, ITS SO LONG! THANKS even if u dont comment!!!!</p>

<p>International competition for a place like Wharton is insanely hard. It's okay to try, and you should if it's your first choice, but you should definitely apply to some less competitive back-ups.</p>

<p>Scores are too low. Wharton is crazy hard to get into, basically like trying to get into Harvard.</p>

<p>I would have to agree, the competition you face from other Asian applicants is huge. Raise the scores significantly for a shot.</p>

<p>what if i apply for econ CAS instead, will i hav a better chance??
and do u think Northwestern and u chic can be more of a target-slight reach? for me?</p>

<p>Yes and yes, but you still need to significantly raise your CR score.</p>