<p>I will!! :d</p>
<p>you never said you were an international student, that kind of changes everything. At least from an acceptance rate perspective, your chance of getting in is MUCH lower as an international.</p>
<p>oh sorry, I forgot to mention. When it comes to acceptance rates, I am the worst kind.</p>
<ol>
<li>Northeast</li>
<li>Asian</li>
<li>International</li>
<li>College Prep Private School (HYPSM wont take more than 2 kids from the same school, my school has at least 15 kids that are possible Ivies. #SuperCompetetion)</li>
</ol>
<p>Enough Said :(</p>
<p>That’s why I have been so concerned about getting in, because I knew that my ethnicity and nationality would definitely hurt the chances. I know that the international acceptance rate will be MUCH lower for specialized programs such as the Fisher M&T, but I am hoping that Columbia or Wharton ED will be more optimistic… any thoughts?</p>
<p>That’s not true that those schools won’t take more than two kids from the same high school, it’s not fixed. For example sometimes 6 or 7 kids get into Yale from my former high school and 5-7 to Princeton (I went to a competitive public high school).
I would stop worrying so much about your ethnicity, it you are able to stand out from other applicants with your essays and recommendations it won’t matter. Admissions is not all a numbers game, it’s very subjective.</p>
<p>It is not at all true that HYPSM won’t take more than 2 kids from the same school. Two years ago, Yale accepted 6 students from a class of 450 (we live 10 minutes away from Yale too. Our town is known to be where all Yale faculty reside. This works as a disadvantage for most applicants from our school.). That year, multiple students were accepted to most Ivy League schools, with the exception of Harvard and Princeton. This year, we had three people admitted to Yale, one to Harvard, one to Princeton, two to Stanford, four to Penn, one to Columbia, two to Dartmouth, one to Brown, and none to Cornell. While these schools certainly have quotas to fulfill, they are willing to overlook them if applicants are well enough qualified. Don’t dwell on what you can’t change. At this point, all you can do is focus on your essays.</p>
<p>Edit: I am an Asian from the northeast (obviously) at a very competitive high school with less than stellar stats. It’s very possible.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the advices guys.</p>
<p>Well, I will just work harder to get all 5’s (some 4’s wont hurt too much) this may and work on my essays. </p>
<p>As a freshman, my target schools were GWU and BU.(152 on the PSATs) I am actually glad that I have moved the bar up this high.</p>
<p>I will remember your advices and hopefully by next year, I will be giving same kind of advices to those who are younger than I.</p>
<p>HYPSM Wharton Columbia</p>
<p>Dreams Come True :)</p>
<p>Believe me when I say AP exams don’t matter. They are self-reported, and colleges know better than to accept unofficial scores. I got in with a 2 and a 4.</p>
<p>That said, still put your fullest effort into them. They can potentially save you thousands of dollars.</p>
<p>actually, that is the sickest thing I’ve ever heard… I took 1 last year as a sophomore (Modern European History, got a 4). I was devastated with a 4. But now I found out that a 4 is actually not a bad score. So I got over that. </p>
<p>This year, I have BC Calc, Chem, USH, and Language and Comp. I dont doubt 5’s from BC and Chem. But I am possibly expecting 4’s from USH and L/C. </p>
<p>Now that you have said that AP scores dont matter as much, pressures are gone a little bit. Thanks again!!!</p>
<p>Next year, as a senior, I am expecting some 2’s and 3’s. AP Chinese? There is no way Im getting a 5 on that… Chinese is such a difficult language :(</p>
<p>
Again, applying to M&T early really shouldn’t hurt you compared to going w/ Wharton ED. If you’re interested in it, you should apply for it; the only caveat is that it requires one more essay. See this flowchart if you’re confused about how M&T ED would work, it was a mystery to me until I spoke with someone in the M&T office. <a href=“ASCIIFlow”>ASCIIFlow;
<p>yup. the illustration definitely helped me understand the process. So I can still choose to be considered as ED Wharton even after I get rejected from M&T ED.</p>
<p>That means M&T ED announces their results before Wharton does, I would assume?</p>
<p>And yes, thank you for your drawing. It really helped me understand.</p>
<p>What I don’t understand is why you are so afraid of applying? What do you have to lose? (besides the ~$100 application fee) If they don’t take you, their loss but if they do, it’s entirely your gain!</p>
<p>I’m Asian, from CANADA (not quite international but there’s still a quota on how many Canadians Penn accepts, around 1.5% of the acceptances = 30-40 acceptances from ED and RD combined), and as you said, I didn’t cure cancer, nor did I score 2400 nor did I start up a non-profit that saved children from world hunger etc etc…</p>
<p>I applied, and for some reason, was accepted. </p>
<p>So just apply and hope for the best.</p>
<p>
No, all ED results are announced at the same time. It just means that if you are not accepted ED for M&T, you will be considered for Wharton ED (if you so request on your Penn Supplement). That all happens before ED results are announced.</p>
<p>
Unless you have some reliable inside information (e.g., you heard it directly from Eric Furda, himself), I don’t believe that Penn has a quota for Canadians. For example, there are 46 Canadians in the Class of 2015, and that includes ED and RD acceptances:</p>
<p>[Penn</a> Admissions: Incoming Class Profile](<a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/]Penn”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/)</p>
<p>Undoubtedly, there also were additional Canadians accepted through RD who chose to attend another school.</p>
<p>It was a rough estimate from the total acceptances of ~4000 x about 11% international student body x 40% of internationals who were Canadian/Mexican x a rough split between Canada and Mexico.</p>
<p>I made assumptions and worked with the numbers I had. Regardless, it’s not a lot of acceptances. Not when you consider all the people applying from private schools, magnet high schools, and even public schools (such as myself). Even higher numbers in the big cities like Toronto, Vancouver, and Calgary (where unsurprisingly, there’s a substantial Asian/first generation immigrant population). So couple the volume of Canadian applicants with at most 100-150 acceptances for the entire country, it’s still a very small acceptance rate. </p>
<p>so tl;dr: if you never shoot, you will miss 100% of the shots (or something along those lines) Best of luck!</p>
<p>edit: just looked at 45Percenter’s link, seems like the student body is made up of more Canadians I assumed. Which is all the better for us I guess.</p>
<p>^ Bottom line is that Penn admissions are need-blind for citizens and permanent residents of Canada, the US, and Mexico, as opposed to the rest of the world. In other words, Penn views all North American applicants the same, with no quotas. :)</p>
<p>the main reason why i am afraid of applying is because I think I stand a good chance with an ED, and barely a chance with regular decision. And I only get ONE ED chance.</p>
<p>ED for columbia is about 30%, while regular is about 8%. (I am pretty sure this is about same with Wharton)</p>
<p>I’m not afraid of applying. In fact, if i get rejected from my ED school, I will do HYPSM + Dartmouth/Brown + Caltech… blah blah</p>
<p>So I am just being super careful with what ED I am doing.</p>
<p>^ED for Columbia this year was about 20%, not 30%:</p>
<p>[Early</a> Line on Early Admissions - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/20/2012-early-admission/]Early”>Early Line on Early Admissions - The New York Times)</p>
<p>ED for Penn this year was about 25%.</p>
<p>My personal story: </p>
<p>I applied ED for Columbia this year thinking I’d have a better chance. Nope, flat rejection. I apply to the rest of my RD schools thinking there’s no chance that I’d get in with these schools’s <10% admit rates but then I was accepted. So anything can happen :)</p>
<p>The point is still there… 20% is way more than 8%…</p>
<p>By doing ED, I can greatly increase the possibility of acceptance.</p>
<p>I want to get the most out of one ED chance that I have.</p>
<p>yup, good things like that can happen. Congrats! Hope I get into one of my ED/topRD choices, too!</p>