<p>Self explanatory. </p>
<p>Just list the schools that you turned down for Wharton.</p>
<p>Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell AEM, Carnegie Mellon Tepper, NYU Stern, USC Marshall, etc.</p>
<p>Princeton, Cornell AEM, NYU Stern</p>
<p>Notre dame, berkeley, emory, uva (echols), boston college (honors), USD (full ride)</p>
<p>london school of economics, uchicago, ross, warwick, ucl, york. i got in ED to huntsman so ddnt apply anywhere else in the states.</p>
<p>Caltech
Ross
MIT </p>
<p>I applied ED… so only applied to 4 schools plus technically didn’t have a choice.</p>
<p>Dartmouth, Duke, UChicago, Northwestern, Notre Dame</p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Brown, MIT, Stanford, Tufts, UVA, Georgetown, UCLA, UC Berkeley</p>
<p>For the business minded, the only things I can think of that HYP offer that Wharton does not is a richer liberal arts education and the HYP brand name. Whereas Wharton offers better job placement, more prestige in the business world, greater business opportunities, a stronger business network, the best business education in the world with a strong liberal arts foundation, Penn’s better social scene and the option of not having to return for an MBA. The only reason someone would choose HYP over Wharton is that they were iffy for business in the first place! Otherwise, I would think they were crazy with all else equal!</p>
<p>Poste I would do the opposite. You’re going to get a top job from any of these places, I would greatly prefer the more abstract learning that comes from a more liberal arts type college experience.</p>
<p>Wharton does not give you the same liberal arts education as HYP, but as I said, to the business minded students, there is little benefit in obtaining a liberal arts education and the opportunity costs of not going to Wharton far outweigh the benefits of a slightly, yes slightly, better liberal arts education (you have all the resources of Penn which is just behind HYP)</p>
<p>You can always minor in the college and get the best of both worlds, something HYP cannot offer.</p>
<p>I just personally think the “Finance” culture isn’t something you need in college, particularly if you’re going to get the same job anyway. On the other hand a liberal arts social/ academic experience is something I would dearly miss. Minoring at Penn CAS wouldn’t make up for that. I just think Wharton feels to much like an MBA program, and since top firms don’t seem to care, why not have a “warm, fuzzy” liberal arts experience.</p>
<p>Umm…it feels like an MBA program because it trains students to thrive in the business world without an MBA. Look, I agree with you that there are things that are bad with a Wharton education, but I believe that the good outweights the bad. The recruiting at Wharton is only rivaled by Harvard for a reason. Students at Wharton have been exposed to the very same business procedures that they will use at IBanks over four years, hence it will become intuitive to a degree. At HYPS it will not. Some other post before showed a study done by Gladwell in his book Outlier that confirmed that this preprofessionalism is critical in facilitating one’s career.</p>
<p>“You can always minor in the college and get the best of both worlds, something HYP cannot offer.”</p>
<p>I think you have it backwards. “Getting the best of both worlds” would be a more well-rounded degree from a better overall institution than UPenn (like HYPS), then going to graduate school at Harvard, Stanford, or Wharton.</p>
<p>I just have a hard time believing any school is going to say “You went to Harvard/Yale/Princeton/Stanford? That’s not a good enough education for our business!” and reject you for a high-level job. I think Wharton offers a good enough education to compete with HYPS, and from there, its all about personal fit.</p>
<p>why is business = practice and liberal arts = education? </p>
<p>Take a statistics concentration class and tell me how it’s not like a math course with its liberal artness
Take a bpub course and tell me how it’s not like economics liberal arts
Take a legal studies course and tell me how it’s not like philosophy</p>
<p>Not going to say anything about courses I haven’t taken but your mind expands just as much from a business education as it would from a liberal arts education. The only different is that it’s applicable.</p>
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<p>Except, of course, you do not get the same jobs. There is a reason why many top private equity firms, and Hedge funds only recruit out of Wharton. The ones the recruit at HYPSM concentrate on getting kids from Wharton, then Harvard, with a rare Yale kid or Princeton Kid in between. I actually broke down the figure for firms like KKR and got a ratio of 6:1 against Princeton and an even larger split against Yale. This is because the top hedge funds and PE firms (that make getting a job at Goldman Sachs look like a cake walk) do not want to waste their time training kids and Wharton kids are more motivated, and have the skills necessary to succeed without training, so they are heavily favored. So the top firms would disagree with you. Plus, if you want to get placed on the best desks or work for the best divisions within a company like Goldman, Wharton helps you stand out since you are already ahead of the pack and you are more likely to get a job at these desks straight off the bat. </p>
<p>The same is true at the top hedge funds, the Wharton to YPSM ratio is likely 3:1.
For all of the bulge bracket banks Wharton out represents YPSM 3:1, Harvard comes close but is still in second place. </p>
<p>In the business world, ceteris paribus, Wharton is just more highly regarded than YPSM, in the same way that you think YPSM’s colleges are more highly regarded than Penn’s. </p>
<p>So there is a difference. You are sacrificing something by not going to Wharton. You may still be able to get a PE job off the bat, it is just highly unlikely if you go to YPSM. Even Harvard’s PE placement cannot compare.</p>
<p>If two equally capable people applied for a job, a Wharton kid and a HYPSM kid, in the world of finance the Wharton kid would always get the job.</p>
<p>But this is not the purpose of this thread; let us get it back on track.</p>
<p>HYPSM are slightly more selective than the College at Penn, but they do not offer better academic departments. Unless you’re majoring in a niche field that one of HYPSM has cornered, you’re going to get the same world-class education. I’ll admit that the schools themselves are slightly more selective than Penn CAS, but the departments themselves are not better.</p>
<p>So your argument that Wharton provides a top-notch business education at the expense of liberal arts is kind of absurd.</p>
<p>Also, having spent time at all of the schools (except S), I really don’t find that the students are any smarter. They’re just luckier. How many Penn students do I know, including myself, that were waitlisted at Harvard at Yale? Dozens. And I know several at Harvard and Yale who were rejected (or waitlisted, unnecessarily obviously) at Penn.</p>
<p>Muertopueblo its not just the classes. Its missing out on the whole experience. Wharton is going to be very different than a normal experience you will get at HYPS or even Duke, Dartmouth, Brown, Columbia, and even Penn CAS. Much more pre-professional, corporate, and stuffy and at the end of the day the chances are that a grad from one of those schools is going to end up at a top bank anyway. I’d rather enjoy college and be a banker when its the right time. My brother is at a top PE firm right now and I’ve gotten to know many of his friends from college. So many of the ones who went into finance are at PE firms and hedge funds. And they had the best college experience ever. The best part is they barely talk about finance, its all about good college times. I personally feel like that’s a better fit for me at least, enjoy college for all its worth and still get the job.</p>
<p>I agree absolutely with your sentiment, admitone, but a lot of Wharton students - insane though this may sound, and it certainly does to me - actually love studying business. Some are just smart kids in it for the money, and they made poor decisions.</p>
<p>Overall, I agree; even if you really want to go into business, you’d probably have a more interesting college experience if you just went to Yale, majored in English literature, racked up a 3.8 and got a job at Bain. You’d probably have an easier go of it, too (the Wharton core takes a toll on many a GPA).</p>
<p>But if you truly want to study business? Go to Wharton.</p>