<p>I am an international student who will be attending Foothill college this fall as a freshman. I heard so many times how "gratefully" transfer applicants from CCC get the advantage in the process of transfering to UCs. I mean, still, UCs are surely not "giving out" the spots, I need to earn it.
well, then, just one question poped in my head. Will I, as a person who does not have the CA residency, get the equal shot to UCs as Americans who have the residency?? </p>
<p>I think many "legal" Americans ,who live in CA and want to go to UCs, have somewhat prejudiced opinion toward foreigners. Hummmm.... mainly, as we all know, that's because so many "illegal" immigrants are decreasing the chances to college for those "legal" people. As a person from a different country, I know that people deserve a second chance, and maybe Americans should not be so proud over where they born, because they did not work hard for being born in the states.
However, law is law. People with the right reason to immigrant should try to work things out under the law from the beginning. That would explain why I do not agree with those illegal immigrants who cried out for their rights to be upgraded, claimming they were good citizens. I'm just writing my thoughts, because, at the end, a person like me, a legal international student, will get demage. It's getting harder and harder to come US. Long waiting and preparing... Forgive my grammatical errors. I still have a long way to feel comfortable in English despite of three years in US. Any corrections are welcome!!! That will help my English!!! haha-</p>
<p>"I think many "legal" Americans ,who live in CA and want to go to UCs, have somewhat prejudiced opinion toward foreigners. Hummmm.... mainly, as we all know, that's because so many "illegal" immigrants are decreasing the chances to college for those "legal" people."</p>
<p>It has nothing to do with the number of illegal immigrants in the country. The main reason the UCs make it harder for international students to get accepted is self-interest and money. The UCs don't want international students (who don't pay californian taxes) to get an education then leave the state or leave the country. The mission of the UC is to benefit the people of the state of California first, then the rest of the world academic community.</p>
<p>"As a person from a different country, I know that people deserve a second chance, and maybe Americans should not be so proud over where they born, because they did not work hard for being born in the states."</p>
<p>Haha, I've never heard it put that way. I think we are more gratefull than proud to be born in the US.</p>
<p>"People with the right reason to immigrant should try to work things out under the law from the beginning."</p>
<p>I agree, unless there circumstances are so egregious that a violation of the law is warranted. In this case they should have a path to a permanent resident card without penalty.</p>
<p>"The UCs don't want international students (who don't pay californian taxes) to get an education then leave the state or leave the country. The mission of the UC is to benefit the people of the state of California first, then the rest of the world academic community."</p>
<p>Well, I have to say I understand the point. I mean, I agree. If I were a CA resident and realize that UCs were spending big amount of money to support somebody who never paid taxes, I would have literally screamed like the man from the T-Mobile commercial (haha, that man suffered from his daughter's text messages...)</p>
<p>Ummm...It sounds morally a bad idea to just leave US after receiving the high education it offered. </p>
<p>What do you think about the foreigners who leave the states after getting the education? </p>
<p>As the whole world share one planet, I believe international students who paid full tuition should be encouraged to go back to their own contries and help that part of the world.</p>
<p>For the three years while I was living in US, I had thought a lot about my identity and my future. Many years later when I get out of college, I will have to choose either to remain in US or to go back to my country. If I will return to my home, I think I will be leaving US with very grateful heart, thanking what US taught me.</p>
<p>For international people who come here "leagly" I have no problem. It is those who want everything we have to offer that came here illeagaly that i have a problem with. About the part of being born here, well life is not fair and we are lucky as hell for being born here.</p>
<p>there's a difference between residency and out-of-staters....I think non-residents are given the same preference as CA students at time of admisison but they pay more in terms of tuition. out-of-staters are at disadvantage because they don't get the preference and they have to pay the non-resident tuition. Im not sure about this though....</p>
<p>"...maybe Americans should not be so proud over where they born, because they did not work hard for being born in the states." </p>
<p>How ironic. You don't understand why Americans are proud of where they live yet YOU will do anything to live in America.</p>
<p>What does this have to do with transferring into college any way? Is this just a jab at Americans? Or, because you're a foreigner you think you should be entitled to go to any school in the world any time you want? Do you know who pays for those schools? It's not the United Nations. HINT: It's the same people that pay for the United Nations.</p>
<p>omg, thewrigs-
"How ironic. You don't understand why Americans are proud of where they live yet YOU will do anything to live in America."</p>
<p>hahaha, I had to laugh, because somehow I understand you. I think it is very ironic. But, I want you to know that I will not do ANYTHING to live in US!!!! I like US, though, I know I always have choices.
Also, what I mean by saying "American should not be so proud over US..." was NOT the pride itself is wrong. I only wanted to point that how lucky people in US are. </p>
<p>"What does this have to do with transferring into college any way? Is this just a jab at Americans?"</p>
<p>Ummmmm, I stated in my frist thread that I was just writing my thoughts.... </p>
<p>"Is this just a jab at Americans?"</p>
<p>No way- I also stated clearly how thankful I am to US. ( I mentioned going back to my home country with grateful heart to US, thanking what US taught me.) </p>
<p>"Or, because you're a foreigner you think you should be entitled to go to any school in the world any time you want? "</p>
<p>I never said that. I don't think I have gave you that impression throughout my thread. After Matt30 wrote why UCs should give residents advantage, I simply agreed!!!!! </p>
<p>"Do you know who pays for those schools?" </p>
<p>Ummmmmmmm..in my case, I pay the full tuition. So, in the college, what I get is what I paid for.</p>
<p>It doesn't matter if you have California residency or not.....as long as you are coming from a CCC you will have an "advantage" over those who are not....the major difference in being an International/OOS is tuition.....</p>
<p>"Ummmmmmmm..in my case, I pay the full tuition. So, in the college, what I get is what I paid for."</p>
<p>I wouldn't expect you to know this but it costs a lot more than $133.00 per unit to have you there. Take a look at some private colleges - $30,000+ and some still get government subsidizing. So, the taxpayers still pick up your tab whether you want to believe it or not.</p>
<p>"It doesn't matter if you have California residency or not.....as long as you are coming from a CCC you will have an "advantage" over those who are not...."</p>
<p>Thats wrong. Even international students at local CCs are accepted in much lower numbers then native Californians. The thing that matters is where you place that checkmark in the section that asks for you citizenship status. Therefore acceptance as an international student is much more competitive regardless of where youre transferring from.</p>
<p>"You don't understand why Americans are proud of where they live yet YOU will do anything to live in America."</p>
<p>The word he was most likely looking for is arrogant, and I'll be the first one to say that some Americans act as if they are superior to people in other nations only based on delusion that being born here makes them so. I can't count how many times I've seen legal immigrants with "green cards" get belittled and verbally assaulted. There is a large population of people in the country who are xenophobic.</p>
<p>"HINT: It's the same people that pay for the United Nations."</p>
<p>You're completely clueless. I bet you don't even know that that US for years has withheld some of its UN dues. In fact at one point the US nearly a billion dollars in debt to the UN. Almost 80% of UN founds come from the other member nations. Everyone pays their fare share.</p>
<p>"I wouldn't expect you to know this but it costs a lot more than $133.00 per unit to have you there."</p>
<p>If your going to pull numbers out of thin air at least make them remotely close.</p>
<p>For an international Berkeley student tuition is $25,254 per academic year. If the average student takes 30 units per semester, he will pay more than $800 per unit. And this is before the planned fee increases.</p>
<p>While the fixed costs of the university are undoubtedly covered by taxpayer money, international students pay more than their fare share in respect to the resources they use up during their stay.</p>
<p>Moron - he said he was paying his share at Foothill CC not Berkeley. WAKE UP YOU IDIOT! Please read the posts before you reply. I got that figure off the Foothill CC website. </p>
<p>Also, the US pays the majority of the UN's bill, that's the point. 20 - 25% plus their rent in NY makes them the largest contributor. WOW, you're an idiot.</p>
<p>"The word he was most likely looking for is arrogant, and I'll be the first one to say that some Americans act as if they are superior to people in other nations only based on delusion that being born here makes them so. I can't count how many times I've seen legal immigrants with "green cards" get belittled and verbally assaulted. There is a large population of people in the country who are xenophobic."</p>
<p>You've obviously traveled little because this happens everywhere you go in Europe. In fact, they invented this behaviour. We learned from the best.</p>
<p>"I wouldn't expect you to know this but it costs a lot more than $133.00 per unit to have you there. Take a look at some private colleges - $30,000+ and some still get government subsidizing. So, the taxpayers still pick up your tab whether you want to believe it or not."</p>
<p>Daniel Golden says, in his article "Foreign Students High Tuition Spurs Eager Junior Colleges to Fudge Facts"," first, they[ international students] pay higher tuition than in-staters. Secondly, community colleges in California and most other states get to keep those extra sums on campus. Generally, tuition from local students goes straight into state coffers, and then is redistributed throughout public higher education.Foothill, with 18,627 full- and part-time students, is close to an enrollment cap on subsidies for in-state students. So foreign students are about the only way it can grow. They pay $4,500 annual tuition, more than 10 times the in-state fee. Mr. Beers estimates that the 3,000-plus international students at Foothill and its sister college, De Anza, in nearby Cupertino, contribute $10 million in revenue and $5 million in net income."</p>
<p>As residents pay tax, they are eligible for many scholarships which almost all of the international students can not receive. According to the foothill college website, international students, holding F-1 visa, can only work up to 20 hours per week on campus while school is in session, and up to 40 hours per week during vacation periods. So even if an international student have a job, it is obvious that he or she needs more money to maintain living and support the education. What they do is simply spending their home money in US. I see that benefits US economy and even gives somewhat good amount of money to the state government.
Also, Since the Foothill CC has a lot of international students and admission, I believe, the college estimates the amount of money that international students should pay more to be in the similar position with tax payers in terms of paying money and demand that money.</p>
<p>To simply answer thewrigs, a very energetic ( somewhat emotional) reasoner, I ended up using the article which sees the college that I will attend as a trade-school.
Furthurmore,to show that I pay the amount of US governmental aid I receive to the government (not directly, though), I needed to mention I pay more that tax payers.
I do not know how, my one little interest about illegal immigrants ended up with this subject. I used the article not to blame US. Other than making my point, it is meaningless to me. Because, I decided to come to US and persuaded my family to spent that amount of money. Also, having a lot of American who helped me, I never tended to degrade Americans or the country. </p>
<p>One thing I want to say, thewrigs. You sound like you love your country and are proud of being an American, But you just have failed to give others a good impression of Americans that they truely have.</p>