What are the best undergrad business schools in the nation?

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<p>if we are only talking about ugrad business programs</p>

<p>Wharton
UMich-Ross, MIT Sloan, UCal Berk-Hass, NYU Stern
Cornell-AEM, Notre Dame-Mendoza, UNC-Kenan Flagler, Georgetown-Mcdonough</p>

<p>Besides the top programs, look into the honor programs at some of the lesser known schools. alot of times, they have as good of a placement rate as the top.</p>

<p>remember this is only undergraduate business programs. economics or any degree from Ivies, top LAC, and other elite institutions might be as valuable, if not more valuable, than some of the schools I listed.</p>

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<p>Well, I’m sure you don’t hire talents for a “big time” consulting firm/investment banking/financial institution if you have as narrow a mind like that. </p>

<p>How would you explain to me that Ross is one of the only 7 core schools where McKinsey recruit talents (the other being HYPSM and Wharton)? Are you saying McKinsey is stupid because it does not think or believe the way you do? Come on, get real! </p>

<p>Haas grads are some of the most sought after grads. They’re one of the highest earners grads too. On average, a Haas grad makes more earnings than do Brown, Cornell, or Columbia grads, albeit only slightly. <a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/BusAd.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/BusAd.stm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Again, check your facts. Your personal experience does not count here. They’re entirely contradictory to what the facts are saying. </p>

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[BCG</a> - Careers at BCG](<a href=“http://bcg.com/careers/default.html]BCG”>http://bcg.com/careers/default.html)
[Best</a> Ivy League Schools By Salary Potential](<a href=“2023 College Rankings by Salary Potential | Payscale”>2023 College Rankings by Salary Potential | Payscale)
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<p>You guys honestly have the most pathetic debates. Just listen to yourselves - arguing about which school is better and gets you the most money. If McKinsey/Bain are this selfish and picky, then I wouldn’t even want to work for them…even if I was qualified!.</p>

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<p>That where you’d be wrong, dear boy. And my husband has long been a partner of a big 3 management consulting firm doing the same. He actually went to Haas undergrad but never chose to recruit there.</p>

<p>The practice of where to hire from preceded me at my bank. As an often rare minority (woman) voice, I pushed for change lots during my career. I mostly lost.</p>

<p>The powers that be don’t sit there and parse where the brightest business students might be today. Simply, they consider it loyal to hire from their alma mater and few went to state schools.</p>

<p>If you’re not into narrowly focused minds, banking and consulting may not be for you. They are clubs. When they needed math skills beyond their own they let in MIT and Caltech. Women had a hard time making MD before a few major law suits. That’s the most movement that happened in the 30 tears I’ve been watching.</p>

<p>And the Haas earning power out of college relates to the fact that most grads stay on the W Coast where salaries are higher because the cost of living is much higher. Haas is not well represented on WS.</p>

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<p>hmom5, </p>

<p>Sadly, despite your sweet story and fantasies, your personal experience and weird anecdotes do not relate to reality. Check it out: <a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/BusAd.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/BusAd.stm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>This reasoning is clearly borne out of desperation or ignorance. Cal is not the only school in the West Coast. There are over a hundred fine schools in the West Coast that Cal outperformed in terms of salary potential including USC, UCLA, Scripps, Pomona, Claremont McKenna, Santa Clara and Pepperdine. Again, please stop spewing unconfirmed reports on this message board and be factual. [Best</a> Schools in California By Salary Potential](<a href=“2023 College Rankings by Salary Potential | Payscale”>2023 College Rankings by Salary Potential | Payscale)</p>

<p>NY’s standard of living is also quite high. You of all people should know that being a WS banker yourself. But why is it that Berkeley grads have outperformed grads of NYU and Columbia and Cornell, whose grads gravitate toward NYC? Berkeley grads even outperformed Brown grads on the survey? So, you see? Your claims have no bearing at all. They’ll all concocted in your imagination. </p>

<p>Ladies and Gentlemen, </p>

<p>According to hmom5, Ross and Haas are not as good as any of the lower ivies or elite private schools. She claimed top employers don’t recruit talents there, etc, etc. But according to the vault’s McKinsey actually made Ross this year as one of the only 7 schools that they consider as CORE SCHOOLS. Duke, Chicago, Columbia, Dartmouth and the liek didn’t even make it in the very elite list. BCG included Ross as one of those few schools that they consider CORE schools. So, who do we believe here? homom5 or McKinsey/BCG? </p>

<p>hmom5 also lambasted Haas. She claimed Haas grads have limited career opportunities and have no place in top finance/banking companies. Yet, according an article published by Businessweek, it says: </p>

<p>Of course, companies wouldn’t be descending on Berkeley if they weren’t happy with the product. JPMorgan Chase & Co (JPM ). recruiter Sasha Price says Berkeley students have a rare combination of business knowhow and communication skills that belies their youth. “We have had some interviewers say to us: My God, these Haas students know more than some of the MBAs we’ve just hired,'” Price says.
[The</a> Best Undergrad B-Schools](<a href=“Bloomberg Businessweek - Bloomberg”>Bloomberg Businessweek - Bloomberg)</p>

<p>So, again, who’s lying here, the employers or hmom5?</p>

<p>You be the judge, people.</p>

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<p>hmom5’s comments are in complete accordance with the practices I witnessed during the time I worked on Wall Street,in front office for a major firm. A different firm from hers, from what I’ve inferred. (They seemed to like Brown pretty well at my firm, for one thing)</p>

<p>I’ve no idea what other firms did; or even other areas of my own firm (eg back-office). While in the business I saw pretty much the same types at the other firms I dealt with, but I was certainly not part of their recruiting efforts.</p>

<p>I’m in no position to make a blanket comment that "school A is better than school B’, for anything really, but I’m just vouching that there was at least a slice of elite business employment where hmom5’s perspectives are familiar, I was there.</p>

<p>Most other places I’ve been, the golden ticket is the local flagship state U.</p>

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<p>monydad,</p>

<p>These are the companies that actually recruit at Haas: <a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Haas/HaasEmployers2008.pdf[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Haas/HaasEmployers2008.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Employers Haas School of Business Class of 2008
Accenture
Jones Lang LaSalle
Acosta
KPMG
Aon Risk Services
Lehman Brothers
Apple Computer
LEK Consulting
Arbor Labs
Ma Labs
AT&T
Mann Consulting
Bain and Company
MarketBridge
Bank of America
McKinsey & Company
Bates White
Mercer
BDO Seidman
Merrill Lynch
BearingPoint
Mervyn’s
Better Business Bureau
Monitor Group
Booz Allen Hamilton
Morgan Stanley Dean Witter
Capital IQ
Navigant Consulting
Charles Schwab
Novogradac & Company
ChevronTexaco
Oliver Wyman
Cisco Systems
Oppenheimer & Co
Citigroup
Pacific Life Insurance
Clorox Company
Perry-Smith
Cogent Valuation
Pictron
Compass Lexecon
PricewaterhouseCoopers
ConocoPhillips
Prudential Mortgage Capital
Cornerstone Research
Relational Investors
Coupons Inc
Reliant Energy
Cowen & Company
RGL
Credit Suisse First Boston
ROCKEON
David Kirschner Productions
Rothstein Kass
Deloitte & Touche
Royal Bank of Canada
Deloitte Consulting
Savvian
Deutsche Bank
Sears Holdings
Duff & Phelps
Secude International
Equilar
Seiler & Company
Ernst & Young
Stone Yama****a Partners
Factset Research
Systems Target Corporation
Fisher Investments
Teach for America
Gap
The Revere Group
Goldman Sachs
Thomas Weisel Partners
Google
Triage Consulting Group
Grant Thornton
Walt Disney
Houlihan Lokey
Howard
Washington Mutual
Huron Consulting Group
Wells Fargo Bank
ICF International
Winzler & Kelly Consulting
Insight Capital Research
Wulfsberg Reese Colvig & Firstman
Intel
Yahoo!
Jeffries & Company
ZS Associates</p>

<p>Now, if you have such companies that actually recruit at Haas, don’t you think graduating from Haas would just be as fine as graduating from any of those lower ivies? </p>

<p>And, it doesn’t matter whether some companies prefer Brown grads over grads of other schools (including Haas) because the fact would tell us that Berkeley, let alone Haas, grads make more money than Brown grads do. [Best</a> Colleges, Best College Majors, Best College Degrees](<a href=“http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges]Best”>2023 College Rankings by Salary Potential | Payscale)</p>

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<p>That’s fine, all I’m saying there was a small slice of the world I experienced where hmoms viewpoint was valid. I believe I specifically limited my comments accordingly.</p>

<p>As for these other metrics, I suggest be careful: Salaries can reflect proportional differences in the types of businesses/ industries/ regions students go into, and need to be adjusted for regional cost of living differences to see who’s really “better off”. Maybe a regionally-oriented credential isn’t as great if it limits one to a high cost region which is actually worse, incomewise, on an all-in “net” basis.</p>

<p>Also, just generally, firms may recruit at different schools for different functions, and also they may hire drastically different proportions of applicants from various schools. For example, at the firm I was talking about, the list for front-office recruiting was very small, but my brother-in-law got into the IT department there from a city U. Not all jobs at that firm were equal, but any of them would have placed the firm on a list like you produced above. Hmom5’s point was specifically regarding equal access to the most prestigious front-line jobs in her industry. The fact that a firm may show up on a campus to recruit for <em>something</em> does not disprove her perspective. what you’d need to show is that similarly qualified individuals are actually hired for the front-line positions at that company (rather than as backoffice, retail sales, IT, HR, or whatever), in approximately equal proportions, vs. other schools you are comparing.</p>

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<p>Another rather stark limitation of that link of yours is in methodology, and I quote:</p>

<p>" Only employees who possess a Bachelor’s Degree and no higher degrees are included. This means Bachelor graduates who go on to earn a Master’s degree, MBA, MD, JD, PhD, or other advanced degree are not included.</p>

<p>For some Liberal Arts, Ivy League, and highly selective schools, graduates with degrees higher than a bachelor’s degree can represent a significant fraction of all graduates.</p>

<p>Careers that require advanced degrees, such as law or medicine, are not included."</p>

<p>I can’t even think of anybody I graduated with from my college who doesn’t have an advanced degree. For most of us, our graduate degree was the credential most directly related to our ultiimate field, and relevant initial professional earnings. Hopefully our undergraduate experience contributed to our attainment of the pertinent higher education.</p>

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<p>Ahhh youth, they will live and learn. </p>

<p>Just FYI, our firm, to be PC, sends a junior recruiter to many schools we rarely hire from. And we recruit at a weide range of schools because we have jobs to fill such as admin assistants, staff accountants, marketing people…</p>

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<p>you guys are defeating the purpose. the kid wants to know where to apply for ugrad business.<br>
give him a general grouping of schools and have him pick.</p>

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<ol>
<li>University of Pennsylvania</li>
<li>Massachusetts Institute of Technology</li>
<li>University of California–Berkeley</li>
<li>University of Michigan–Ann Arbor</li>
<li>New York University</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon University</li>
<li>University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill</li>
<li>University of Texas–Austin</li>
<li>University of Virginia</li>
<li>University of Southern California</li>
<li>Cornell University</li>
<li>Indiana University–Bloomington</li>
<li>Emory University</li>
<li>University of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign</li>
<li>University of Wisconsin–Madison</li>
<li>Washington University in St. Louis</li>
</ol>

<p>2009 US NEWS BEST UNDERGRADUATE BUSINESS PROGRAMS</p>

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<p>Gee it’s nice that someone here finally answered the OP’s original question.</p>

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<p>I cant believe that people actually think Haas is more represented on Wall Street than Stern. That doesn’t even sound REMOTELY sane.</p>

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<p>Yeah really. This wall street cr<em>p was really off topic. Who the h</em>ll would want to work there, anyway?</p>

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<ol>
<li>University of Pennsylvania</li>
<li>Massachusetts Institute of Technology</li>
<li>University of California–Berkeley</li>
<li>University of Michigan–Ann Arbor</li>
<li>New York University</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon University</li>
<li>University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill</li>
<li>University of Texas–Austin</li>
<li>University of Virginia</li>
<li>University of Southern California</li>
</ol>

<p>A McCombs faculty member warned my parents that most of their business students don’t want to leave Texas for work. I believe it seeing as the cost of living is much more reasonable in Texas, and Houston and Dallas have the 2nd and 3rd (respectively) most fortune 500 HQ’s after NYC. Most of the class takes a job in Houston, Dallas or Austin each year, but about 1 in 7 of the honors kids chooses IBanking:
[Admissions</a> - Business Honors Program - McCombs School of Business - The University of Texas at Austin](<a href=“http://www.mccombs.utexas.edu/programs/bhp/admissions/careerplacement.asp]Admissions”>http://www.mccombs.utexas.edu/programs/bhp/admissions/careerplacement.asp)</p>

<p>My point is, though McCombs at UT Austin isn’t a big contributor to the WS “club” (as someone called it), it’s still a very highly ranked business school that puts graduates in a very nice position to begin their independent lives. These are some of the big recruiters at UT (though I don’t think Lehman Brothers will be coming back next year):
<a href=“http://www.mccombs.utexas.edu/programs/bhp/corporate/recruit.asp[/url]”>http://www.mccombs.utexas.edu/programs/bhp/corporate/recruit.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Also, USC is trying to create an honors program based on the one at UT. :)</p>

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<p>I agree; not many Haas grads eventually end up working in NYC, but that’s primarily due to distance. It’s the same reason why there are more ivy league grads in NYC than there are grads from Stanford. But that doesn’t mean that when a certain school is less represented in WS, the school isn’t that great. That’s just my point here. There are many ivy league grads that are unemployed right now or are working on a menial job. There are those who held high positions, but not all of them do hold such positions. I know 2 Dartmouth grads who couldn’t get a job that they want right now, so they’re teaching biology class in high school for their living. So, cut this ivy league advantage crap and stop pushing them to kids who are inquiring about an excellent business school because some of them don’t even have an undergrad business program!</p>

<p>To answer the OP:
for undergrad
1 - Wharton
2 - Sloan, Ross, Haas, Stern</p>

<p>that is, if you want to attend a solid undergrad business school that’s comparable to the elite privates and lower ivies. Of course, a degree from HYPSM would be great. But only MIT amongst them offer business at the undergrad level.</p>

<p>You can also look into Northwestern. It’s a huge name in the finance and banking industry.</p>

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<p>Many of us told the OP early on where to apply to meet his needs. Others posters, who are youthful and naive, have confused this conversation. OP, go back to the start of the thread and read. Pay attention to those who have actually worked and hired. </p>

<p>This is a global world. Where the school is located does not matter, the top jobs will be sought after by those who can get them no matter where they are.</p>

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<p>This page seems as valid as any of the others, especially since it has marginal interference from posters such as hmom5 who stray from the original intent of the conversation.</p>

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<p>Worked and hired where? Fantasyland? No one cares anymore if you worked for an I-bank or on Wall street, this economy has proved that. People care about what the individual has accomplished on their own career path.</p>

<p>Does everyone want to be an investment banker? Heck no. I want to be a small business owner, and there are pleanty of business majors out there that want to be accountants, financial and budget analysts, salespeople, or work for marketing firms, along with many other fields a business degree will allow you to enter, and they will consider their jobs just as prestigious and important as the I-Bankers, hedge fund managers, or stock traders of the world. Sure, they may make more, but some people actually have other priorities in life BESIDES money. I could easily lose my shirt in my future career field, but at least I’ll be happy in it, and only some people will be happy as investment bankers.</p>

<p>So please, hmom5, explain why it is necessary to have a “top” job. What’s wrong with working for a consulting company that deals primarily with fortune 1000 companies or even those on the Russel index as opposed to the top 100, or why you can’t just simply be an accountant out of your house and work your butt off to get more clients and hire more staff? Elitism in this country, just like post-depression, is dead. Live with it.</p>