<p>How easy is it to get a job in America if you're an international who's finished your undergrad degree? Presumably, you have to become a US citizen if you want to stay there permanently - how exactly do you do that? Does it matter which country you come from (what if, say, someone's a British citizen?)</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>NOT EASY. Near impossible. Don’t bother incorporating that into your plans. When you sign for your student visa, it says you understand that upon graduating you must return to your country of residence.</p>
<p>The only way to get a job in the US would be if you were somehow in high demand by an employer who was willing to sponsor you for a work visa (note, this is not the same as getting citizenship) and in that situation they’d have to make the case that there are no American citizens capable of doing the job already.</p>
<p>Unless you plan to work for an NGO or a non-profit, it’s pretty much impossible. Google “H1-B visas” and the State department website will do a good job of explaining to you all the ins and outs of the immigration process.</p>
<p>But you can go into grad school without any restrictions, right???</p>
<p>Yes, of course. That is, if you can pay for it :)</p>
<p>Working is ridiculously difficult; H1-B visas to work right after graduation are very, very highly sought after (the numbers are staggering and the # of visas is capped by Congress) and that is after discounting the many employers who simply don’t hire non-citizens/green carders due to the paperwork + cost involved. If you are lucky enough to get a H1-B after a few years you can apply for a green card and then citizenship. When you apply for the F-1 student visa having “immigration intent” is a cause for rejection.</p>
<p>Wow, thanks for telling me… so how do you go about getting money for grad school if you’re international? Is it even harder than getting FA for doing your undergraduate degree?</p>
<p>(Please note, I was interested in grad school before this, especially for something high-paying like business, but I was curious whether one could stay in the US after graduation if one found a job and didn’t go to grad school).</p>
<p>Oh, and suppose you go to grad school… then is it still very hard to get a job in the US after that?</p>
<p>^Correction: I just learned from another thread that what I meant was professional school, not grad school - the ones for medicine and law and business. My bad.</p>
<p>dam…nearly impossible huh?..that sucks…have to work my socks out now!</p>
<p>Grad school as in PhDs: For science subjects they are almost always funded and you get a stipend to live on while you study/research, I don’t know about arts but I heard it’s more competitive there.</p>
<p>Professional schools (medicine, law, MBA): very little financial aid for internationals, and very expensive. If you’re a Home/EU student doing Med/Law in a good UK uni would make much more financial sense, and if you want to work in the US then come here for a Masters or something (read below).</p>
<p>H1-B visas for people with at least a masters are capped at twentysomething thousand (can’t remember the number off the top of my head) in addition to the 65K for Bachelor’s people. They’re less competitive than H1-Bs for people with only Bachelor’s, but the competitiveness has been rising quickly. Also if you’re thinking of working in the financial services there are more restrictions for hiring internationals there (due to the bailouts, they have more burden to prove that your job cannot be done by an existing American).</p>
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<p>it doesn’t say anything like that… do you mean the I-20?</p>
<p>I most likely want to go to law school, then business school.</p>
<p>Elvy, yeah that might be what I mean. I don’t remember exactly where I saw it.</p>
<p>Python…you are posting the same questions everywhere. You are asking schools in the U.S. to possibly provide you with close to a FREE education at some of the most expensive undergrad schools in the country (many of which are NOT need blind for international students for admissions/finaid or both). In addition, on another thread you say you then want to go to law school, business school, and then med school…presumably on someone else’s dime. College costs money. In the U.S. families are asked to contribute to the costs of their kids attending college. You will not be eligible for ANY U.S. federal funds. </p>
<p>Again I ask…what is the matter with schools in the UK? I would suggest that at least until you REALLY figure out which professional school you REALLY want to attend after undergrad. The grad programs (law, business and med) are very expensive propositions…very little financial aid at ALL for med and law schools even for U.S. citizens.</p>
<p>Just a thought, python: if going to grad school is so important to you, why don’t you go to uni in the UK, and put the money towards grad school? I understand absolutely why you want to go to college in the US, but that’s something to think about.</p>
<p>@thumper1: Please see the PM I sent you. There appears to have been a bit of a misunderstanding - I was by no means considering applying to more than 1 professional school.</p>
<p>As for UK universities - of course I’m applying to the maximum of 5 UK universities, but there is a problem there in that I’m not the typical college applicant. I’m homeschooled, and also younger than the average applicant. I can’t do much about the former and, as for the latter, I’ll have completed my education by June next year and so there’s not much else to do besides go to college. </p>
<p>U.S. colleges are more receptive to both homeschooled and younger students, which is why I am applying to them too, and possibly some Canadian universities as well. </p>
<p>When choosing the list of US colleges to apply to, I’m probably first going to put on my list all those that are need-blind and full-need towards internationals, and also add a few safeties. I’m not sure what would be a reasonable amount to apply to, though, given my situation…?</p>
<p>I have 4 siblings who became US citizens after going there for undergrad. One’s a professor at a presitigious LAC, one works at the World Bank, one in computer software and one in finance in a big city (she finished undergrad, worked for two years with - I suppose - a work visa, went to business school and then started at her current job). So I suppose I wouldn’t say it’s impossible, although it probably is difficult.</p>
<p>[Python38] I can’t give specific answers to your questions, but, what I can tell from very limited experience is that it is possible to get a PhD degree or equivalent from a university in the UK or continental Europe (e.g. Germany or Switzerland) and then get a faculty position in the US as an assistant professor. It is by no means easy and, generally speaking, only the best and brightest European students, with very well-known advisors, will be able to do that, but it is not unheard of. In fact, most US top universities have a few full-time faculty with overseas degrees. </p>
<p>Of course, if you want to go into academia in the US, it would be much easier to get your PhD in the US itself. Several foreign-born professors, especially those from India and China, who seem to be abundant in engineering departments in particular, have followed that route. </p>
<p>As far as law degrees are concerned, if you get an LL.B in the UK, you won’t be able to practice law in the US. You’ll probably have to get a graduate law degree from the States (LL.M) and then pass the bar exams (not sure about how that works, since I´m not a lawyer). Keep in mind that, although U.S law inherited many aspects of English common law, American and English law are in many aspects very different and the English LL.B and the American J.D. are not equivalent degrees.</p>