<p>All good points, fendrock. I think D’s school doesn’t offer the scattergram, making it harder to find true outliers. Or perhaps I haven’t learnt how to navigate the site yet.</p>
<p>Our school system has the Naviance divided into the old 1600 SAT and the new 2400 – that has helped us to make the distinction clearer between what the current admissions climate is like vs. what it used to be.</p>
<p>We’ve also found out that the accuracy of the data depends on how good the school is about getting data from the students. One of my kids’ schools really pushed the kids to report, the other doesn’t. We found out on a college visit that there were more folks who had applied and had been accepted were much higher than Naviance reported.</p>
<p>Our school doesn’t do Naviance, but I like to peruse other schools as a “guest” where available. One thing I’ve noticed is that some of that data seems to not include all of the “rejections.” The dots don’t add up to the number of applications. I also have trouble equating those schools weighted GPAs into anything meaningful to our situation.</p>
<p>How do you figure out if your school participates? And if it doesn’t, how to you do a ‘guest’ view (as someone mentioned above)? I’ve gone to the site, but I all I find is the sales pitch for encouraging a school to join.</p>
<p>From the 2010 Parents thread (thanks, zoosermom!) <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/544629-parents-class-2010-a-182.html#post1061819749[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/544629-parents-class-2010-a-182.html#post1061819749</a></p>
<p>Links to high school Naviance sites that allow guest access (with passwords, if needed)
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/wilton[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/wilton</a> password: wiltoncths
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/malvernprep[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/malvernprep</a> password: friars
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=weston[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=weston</a> password: weston
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=mullen[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=mullen</a> password: mustangs
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=smistokyo[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=smistokyo</a> password: Titan
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=episcopal[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=episcopal</a> no password required
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=natick[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=natick</a> password: NHS
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=ciba[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=ciba</a> no password required
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=walsingham[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=walsingham</a> password: gotrojans
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=hcrhs[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=hcrhs</a> no password required
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=mondon[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=mondon</a> password: GRIFFINS
<a href=“https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...albany-academy[/url]”>https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...albany-academy</a> password: cadets
<a href=“https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...edbankcatholic[/url]”>https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...edbankcatholic</a> password: CASEYS
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=cistercian[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=cistercian</a> password: admitone
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=bcc[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=bcc</a> password: barons
<a href=“http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=gbn[/url]”>http://tcci.naviance.com/fc/signin.php?hsid=gbn</a> no password required
<a href=“https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...entralcatholic[/url]”>https://connection.naviance.com/fc/s...entralcatholic</a> no password required</p>
<p>I’ve been checking out DS’s school’s Naviance and can’t for the life of me figure out something. We’re a Midwest (read - ACT) school, so if you are interested in the SAT you have to basically find out about it yourself and travel to another district to take it. Our Naviance data for some of the schools has both an ACT/GPA and an SAT/GPA graph. In almost 100% of the cases, there are no rejections for the SAT data, the students getting in with SATs have much lower scores than the ACT students. Has anyone else seen this or possibly have an explanation?</p>
<p>The problem I am having with Naviance is that my son attends a private school that is about 60% students of color. Therefore when I look at the more selective schools I am afraid that affirmative action gives the averages and graphs give a skewed perspective of my son’s chances - who is not a minority or disadvantaged candidate. Is there any way to filter this?</p>
<p>If my school just started using Naviance this year…that would mean there are no scattergrams yet, right?</p>
<p>Halcyon, that is correct.</p>
<p>Tiger, just to clarify … you are using your school’s Naviance but are saying that you feel like because your ds doesn’t fit the typical student profile that the numbers are skewed?</p>
<p>Youdon’tsay, that’s not necessarily correct. When our high school implemented Naviance they also put in three years worth of acceptance data into it, so that it was useful from day one.</p>
<p>On naviance can you only see the scatter grams from your HS or are there ways to see scatter grams from other HSs thus increasing the total number of data points available?</p>
<p>I believe they show data points in the last 5 years from your HS. It does not help to show other schools.</p>
<p>Good point, mathmom! My ds’s HS didn’t do that, but it could have been done.</p>
<p>My point is that as I understand there are pretty different admission criteria at elite schools for underrepresented minorities, but if Naviance doesn’t ID that group then the graph is of very limited use where some or most of the data points were subjected to different criteria than my child will be…</p>
<p>Tiger, I agree with what you are saying, but only to a point. </p>
<p>Naviance isn’t a guarantee for anyone, just a reference tool. My kids are URMs, so we used the data and depending on the school gave them “bumps” for ethnicity and geography. The deal is, you don’t know whether those dots on the scattergrams are the minorities or white kids at your school. You say the makeup is 60-40, so it’s almost as likely that those dots are non-minorities as minorities.</p>
<p>Sometimes it’s obvious - if the cluster of green dots for a school has high SAT scores and GPAs and there are one or two outliers - you can guess that those students had something else going for them - whether its athletics (most common), URM status, or legacy. Our school is big enough (over 600 in a graduating class) that there is usually pretty good data. We are about 60% minority, but I’d guess based on the makeup of the AP classes that the Scattergrams for the elite colleges were not majority minority. I did ask about a couple of really weird dots for Stanford and it turned out they were not just recruited athletes, and not just URM, but they were also politically connected.</p>
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<p>Interesting that your school could do this without the permission of the students who already graduated.</p>
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<p>Did you get this info from your school’s GC? How would she know this, and do you think it appropriate that she is giving out this type of personal information about students at your school?</p>
<p>I never liked Naviance and our family did not participate in it, because I feel it is an unnecessary invasion of privacy. I did look at it when it was first offered, and the scattergrams showed just about exactly the same admissions results as the colleges already disclose, and it was possible to know who a dot was when just one from a class was admitted to a college in a particular year.</p>
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<p>Careful. That distinction is avaiable to all on naviance, I believe, but it doesn’t really do anything except strip out the writing score, which, as far as I can determine, is still routiinely ignored by most admissions reviewers.</p>
<p>The way things used to be will vary over time, with the biggest inflection point coming nearly twenty years ago when the SAT was reentered, making earlier scores non-comparable to following scores.</p>
<p>My recollection is that the GC told me that they were recruited athletes, someone else told me about the political connection after I complained to a friend that my son didn’t have a prayer of getting into Standford since in six years they had never ever admitted any of our top students, even though plenty have been accepted at HYPM and even at least one to Caltech. </p>
<p>Maybe some people could identify those dots, I certainly couldn’t. The dots aren’t connected to students. Except perhaps for the top twenty five in the class, whose GPAs (but not the test scores) were announced at senior assembly I have no idea who any of the students are. It’s a big school and it’s rare that you would know that a particular point belongs to someone in particular except in a few rare cases. They don’t publish them for a school if there are less than six or eight data points. The Stanford admits had been several years before my son and she did not identify them by name. I suppose if I knew who actually had gone to Stanford from that class I could figure it out, but I don’t.</p>
<p>In any event, as far as I am concerned if information about my sons’ GPA and SAT scores can help kids figure out which colleges are realistic possibilities I’m all for it. My youngest established a few new lows for GPA showing that it isn’t always all about the scores even for bright well rounded white kids.</p>
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<p>That would have been true at my high school as well and does seem like an invasion of privacy. Typical graduating class was <150; mine was 120. It was common to have one Harvard admission, one MIT, maybe 5 Yale, a couple of Princeton and a couple of Stanford. Who those dots were would have been more or less common knowledge, at least among the kids aiming at similar schools (and perhaps their parents).</p>
<p>Ironically, as it happens, I went to the high school that seems to have inspired the service. (The creator is the son of a former principal and has provided free Naviance access in thanks for his father’s advice.) I think our guidance counselors had a mental scattergram in their heads and could pretty much match us up with the schools we belonged in. They could probably reel off the last five years of admissions experience at any given school.</p>