<p>I agree crashingwaves. Yeah, Wharton has the best rep at Penn, but what about the people who came here for their other programs. I'm sure those people came here for the "Penn" name, not the "Wharton" name. And yes, this site sucks for people looking to gauge the school as a whole because there are just so many Penn haters on this site. Why is it always HYPSM when it should actually be PHYSP. I think I like the sound of that.</p>
<p>"Why is it always HYPSM when it should actually be PHYSP. I think I like the sound of that."</p>
<p>Indeed :)</p>
<p>I don't think the board is removed from reality - it's people at Penn who are removed from the reality (of outside perception) and exist inside the Penn bubble where of course everyone thinks well of Penn (as they should - it's a great place, especially when compared to itself). 1/2 the people in America confuse U of P with Penn State. There is usually some glimmer of recognition if you say Wharton. Recent USNWR ratings aside, it will be a long while before the P in HYPSM stands for "Penn". </p>
<p>Now all of Penn is a very elite place but that doesn't negate the fact that Wharton is just a little more elite/selective/hard to get into/more famous/more prestigious than the College. This doesn't really make much if any practical difference since the schools cover different fields, but it's the reality still and people from the College doth protest too much when they deny that this gap exists when it's plain as day (or the admit rate) that it does exist. It didn't always exist (at one time College was harder to get into than Wharton), it may not always exist in the future (esp. once market for i-banks/hedge funds tanks), but for now Wharton is a "hotter" school than the College. Ain't no use denyin'.</p>
<p>Care to inform us who has denied that Wharton doesn't get the lions share of respect here Percy? Care to inform us who said Wharton doesn't DESERVE the lions share?? Please, inquiring minds want to know. Personally, outside perception doesn't really matter. I'm proud of Penn because I know how hard I worked to get here. Why should we accept our school as less than it actually is? Are you going to come up with a bunch of numbers to support Penn not being in the HYPSM category?? It is a discussion board, where Penn students and supporters are discussing their school and I haven't seen anywhere on this website that members of other schools do not support their own school, right or wrong (in many cases, wrong). Are you insinuating that we are blinded by Penn and think it's better than it is?? Thanks, but no thanks to your dose of reality Percy. Penn bubble be damned!!!</p>
<p>And your statement about Penn being a great place when compared to itself is inflammatory and ignorant.</p>
<p>And being a communications major, I came here because Annenberg is, in fact, in the "tippy tippy top tier" for communications in the country. Wanna dispute that?? I also write for the Daily Pennsylvanian, one of the "tippy tippy top tier" college newspapers in the country. Not everyone gives a damn about Wharton because not everyone who came here came for business.</p>
<p>Whoever doesn't know about Penn and confuses it with Penn State is not too swift on the going ons in academia. I've admittedly ran into a few of those people before I came here, but I also wouldn't trust them to be able to locate the U.S. on a map.</p>
<p>It's just north of China, right?</p>
<p>I knew people would get all riled up. There's no doubt that Wharton is not the only tippy tippy top tier #1 in the country program or activity at Penn - I could add quite a few more to datdude's list. BUT when looked at as a whole, the College is not the #1 (or 2 or 3) liberal arts school in the country - I don't think anyone could honestly say that it is , though being in the 2nd tier (say ranks 5 to 10) is nothing to be ashamed of, either.</p>
<p>"There's no doubt that Wharton is not the only tippy tippy top tier #1 in the country program or activity at Penn - I could add quite a few more to datdude's list."
Such a response would certainly be more relevant to the OP's question "What is so great about Penn BESIDES Wharton?" than those you have been providing. The OP is a prospective applicant that wanted to find out about Penn's strengths in departments outside business, not an assertion that it's business school is spectacular. Keep your comments relevant to the thread otherwise post somewhere else.
You seem to have a knee-jerk reaction whenever strengths of Penn outside business are mentioned, as if to say: "Yes it's great in all these things, but everyone please remember it's #1 in business!" And that really is unnecessary. As datdude, rightfully pointed out nobody on this forum challenged Wharton's strength in its field. As a Wharton student, you WILL be taking more than 40% of your classes in the CAS...guess according to you that makes almost half your education, in your words, "2nd tier".</p>
<p>i dont think it is about the Wharton education as much as the Wharton alumni and placement on your resume that really opens doors in the future.</p>
<p>snooker - I was responding to the OP who was wondering why he heard so much about Wharton and not as much about the College. The #1 of anything is usually pretty well known and talked about a lot , #5 is usually not. For example , even if you don't know a thing about soccer, most people can identify Beckham, but who is the 5th best soccer player in the world? - only true soccer fans could tell you. The #5 brand of sneakers? The 5th best band of all time? This explains a lot of the disproportionate attention paid to the #1 Wharton. In liberal arts, Harvard is usually the place that benefits from the attention. BTW, H is a place that I found to be vastly overrated - maybe some would say the same about Wharton - that's the price of being #1.</p>
<p>But it is the cross that Percy so nobly and humbly bears...</p>
<p>You think Beckham is the best soccer player in the world?</p>
<p>....delusions</p>
<p>That's the whole point - Beckham may not be the real #1 soccer player, but as far as the general ignorant American public who knows nothing about soccer (include me in this group) is concerned he IS, and the real guy (whoever he is) is someone whose name they wouldn't even recognize . Maybe CAS is secretly like that guy - actually the #1 overall undergrad program in the US , but whether it is true or not makes little difference because in popular perception it ain't. And maybe Wharton is really like its blowhard alumnus Trump - a place that touts itself to an undeserved and outsized reputation that exceeds the reality. But, perception IS reality.</p>
<p>Perception may be reality, but only to disciples of USNWR and people who use this site as their seeing eye dog. Eventually, the onus rests on the individual to excel, through their talent and hard work. When does it not matter if a person graduated from Wharton, CAS or some lesser-known school down south (or never attended any college)? </p>
<p>Originally Percy, your intent was to keep Penn people "in check" about their ideas about the College as opposed to Wharton. Not only that, but you dared to make a sort of dubious distinction between Penn's liberal arts and a very select few other colleges. You further separated the top recognized colleges into "tiers," when we all know that reputation and bragging rights is about the only thing that separates them and after the first couple of years in the workforce, isn't worth alot anymore unless you show your individual worth.</p>
<p>In the really long run we are all dead, but in the short run (people who are decided which school to attend) such fine distinctions matter.</p>
<p>"as far as the general ignorant American public who knows nothing about soccer (include me in this group) is concerned he IS"</p>
<p>So you feel it's important to impress "the general ignorant American public"? Believe me, they've also never heard of the top LACs (Williams, Swat, etc.), Olin, Cooper Union, UChicago, Brown or Dartmouth either. And they probably don't know that Wharton is a division of Penn or in the Ivy League.</p>
<p>Now tell me why I (or OP) should care?</p>
<p>honestly, your average john q public has never heard of wharton either, it's really pretty much just harvard, yale, stanford (and maybe mit) that have that sort of overall name recognition. i daresay they're more likely to have heard of Penn as a whole than wharton due to penn's place as an annual sacrificial lamb in the ncaa tournament.</p>
<p>When Trump's TV show was on (is it still on?) he used to tout Wharton a lot - this has probably raised its profile with the average Joe. Usually the name Wharton evinces some glimmer of recognition, certainly a lot more than any other b-school that has a name different from the U it belongs to. If you want blank stares, just say "Ross" (Michigan) or "Mendoza" (Notre Dame). For extra points, match Haas, McIntire and McDonough with Virginia, Georgetown and Berkeley.</p>
<p>Nobody disagrees with that. But you're going to lose every time attempting to separate Wharton as the "great" institution and CAS as the "good" institution. Last I checked, it was all one university. Plus, the school's policy allows for taking classes (as electives) at any of the schools so for students at the College, Wharton is not unaccessible or revered. It's just Wharton. </p>
<p>The other problem is, through these posts, the idea starts growing that a large % here secretly covet a spot at Wharton. I don't believe that at all. How could you prove it, by getting access to the number of College transfer apps into Wharton annually?</p>
<p>People, can we PLEASE focus on what the OP asked in the title?</p>