<p>the only thing i dont know is if any other school does the same thing as northwestern by offering orgo as counting towards a graduate degree. </p>
<p>I dont doubt orgo at NU is grueling, but there is really no objective way to call it the toughest in the US. Even if somebody took orgo at a place like Cornell and then at Northwestern to compare, they still wouldn't produce valid results due to the fact that they would have carried over knowledge of the topic from their previous school.</p>
<p>i think you're upset at my points</p>
<p>let me try and put things in easier terms...</p>
<p>you say NU's orgo is the toughest in the US because it can count as graduate credit. </p>
<p>I say the fact that it can count as grad credit is not a proper indication of the level of difficulty of the class. I give examples of other situations where undergrad courses count as grad courses. I do not believe that because orgo at NU can be used as graduate student credit, it should be considered to be the most difficult course of orgo in the country.</p>
<p>"You guys both raise some very valid points, but in the end, does it really matter"</p>
<p>yes, but i am really considering law school one day and it's much easier to spout on CC with very few consequences than it is with my friends, family, or girlfriend. It's like practice.</p>
<p>Just because the class is greuling doesn't necessarily prepare you better for the MCAT. I think in some casses, it may even makes things more confusing. I don't know if you can say, just because the class was tough, it was good preperation. A class that is well taught and has a dynamic affect on students would be much better preperation for the MCAT, rather than taking a series of class that is just "difficult."</p>
<p>yes, though i often appreciate the level of difficulty of such pre-med classes. </p>
<p>If a doctor needs to plunge into my abdomen for any apparent reason, I certainly hope for the doctor that survived the work-fest designed to weed out those who just "woudn't make the cut" (pun intended) in med school.</p>
<p>::I give examples of other situations where undergrad courses count as grad courses::</p>
<p>yes, but did you give me an example of another undergrad course which is the ONLY course in its subject in the nation to be accepted as graduate credit? </p>
<p>i apologize for making such a sweeping statement, but i think my criteria for assessing the difficulty of the program is still valid.</p>
<p>hmmm ... how about statistics at my school. It's so "hardcore" that you cannot transfer in statistics from any other college. I tried, so did a few of my friends who were transfers ... it doesn't work. If we have statistics (ahem, Cornell's ILR statistics) as an undergrad, it will count towards the grad credit if we stay for a master's. But, I dont know if any other college has statistics that can count as grad credit, and my general lack of care and concern prevents me from looking it up. </p>
<p>I still dont think your point is valid, though if others want to believe you then that's up to them. I think the fact that it counts as grad credit is more due to the fact that it's the way that the course is structured rather than its level of difficulty. If anybody else disagrees, please tell me why i'm wrong so I learn something new.</p>
<p>I think gomestar makes a more valid and sensible point, much love bro</p>
<p>::my general lack of care and concern prevents me from looking it up::</p>
<p>that won't get you anywhere in law school.</p>
<p>hence why i'm only considering law school. </p>
<p>heck, i dont even want to be a lawyer. I just enjoy teaching and have found that law is a fascinating topic to try to teach to undergraduates. The only downside is i'd have to go to law school. Dang!! I might apply after earning my master's (which, I can earn in 2 semesters from Cornell using credit I earned as an undergrad) then going to work for a few years to save up some cash. Until then (or at least until classes start in the fall) my apathy will reign supreme ... but my logic and reasoning skills will be strong.</p>
<p>I don’t know what the argument is about. Northwestern’s orgo sequence is notoriously difficult. I don’t know if it is the most difficult in the country, or how to quantify that, but I do know it’s very difficult, and as far as premed goes, it’s pretty competitive. </p>
<p>“I might apply after earning my master's (which, I can earn in 2 semesters from Cornell using credit I earned as an undergrad)” </p>
<p>--Funny, this is exactly what I’m doing……. Except it will only take me two quarters..</p>
<p>"I dont know if it is the most difficult in the country, or how to quantify that, but I do know its very difficult, and as far as premed goes, its pretty competitive"</p>
<p>I agree. I'm not denying that it's difficult (i would certainly have assumed it was in the first place). But, it's not fair to just go out and say it's the hardest with notorious contendors such as Johns Hopkins, Cornell, MIT, Cal, etc. </p>
<p>" --Funny, this is exactly what Im doing . Except it will only take me two quarters.."</p>
<p>i'm kind of bummed i can get it in two semesters. Heck, i'm having a wonderful time here and the only real reason I want a masters is to take more classes that i'm interested in. I just wish it didn't cost so much, otherwise i'd try to stay a few years more!</p>
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::my general lack of care and concern prevents me from looking it up::</p>
<p>that won't get you anywhere in law school.
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<p>I smell a steaming plate of ad hominem</p>
<p>northwestern's organic chem program is the hardest.</p>
<p>Oh boy, here we go again...</p>
<p>:: smell a steaming plate of ad hominem::</p>
<p>um, no, clearly i am attacking his argument by pointing out that not caring about backing up your claims is no way to win a debate.</p>
<p>halopeno crowned my debate skills already. It did smell a little bit like ad hominem though. </p>
<p>and ndhawk is just trying a flame war. When he/she has any arguments i'll copy/paste what i've already said. </p>
<p>PS - sorry for the lengthy time to respond, spent the weekend in NYC with a bunch of friends.</p>
<p>When was organic chemistry easy in the first place? It's going to be bonkers almost everywhere you go.</p>
<p>Organic chemistry will be challenging no matter where you go...it is an inherently difficult subject, and I'd be inclined to say that it's very difficult at Harvard, WashU, and Hopkins as well as at universities/colleges of quite lower caliber.</p>