<p>What if one of the MOC's equal 10 is waiting for a medical waiver and that one has an LOA? Will it hold up the review of the other nine on the MOC's slate? Does everything shut off on March 1st? In other words, if someone hasn't rec'd a medical waiver by then, the door is shut for them?</p>
<p>Is one's WPS compared to the others on the MOC's slate or to the national pool?</p>
<p>I am no expert at this, so others may wish to weigh in. I have spoken extensively with some in the know, so hopefully this will help. Understand that USNA Admissions deliberately keeps some of their methods closely guarded. </p>
<p>If one on a MOC's slate has an LOA and is awaiting a medical waiver, from what I understand, that slate will wait until everyone's app is complete, then one off of that slate will be offered an appointment and the others, if qualified, will go to the national pool.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the Admissions Board has likely already reviewed and assigned a Whole Person Score to the other nine on that slate. Possibly also assigned a WPS to the candidate awaiting a medical waiver. </p>
<p>That slate would be "on hold" so to speak if one of the ten needed to get teacher reviews or BGO interview or some other part of the application completed as well.</p>
<p>Come March 1, if an application is not complete, USNA assumes the candidate is not planning to complete it.</p>
<p>Medical waivers?? I do not know if they will all be decided by Mar 1. I bet not. </p>
<p>Whole Person Score........the first group any candidate (without an LOA) must compete against is the slate of the nominees from their Congressman or Senator. Then, the national pool of candidates.</p>
<p>There are many other variables that go into selection of the class. Some geographic areas are "priority areas." USNA is recruiting qualifed candidates to provide a class that is diverse in all ways. However, all successful candidates share one thing: they are qualified!</p>
<p>Medical waivers can come through as late as the June. Know of one Mid class of 2012 that got his the week prior to I Day - I believe he also had a LOA.</p>
<p>Anyway to learn if someone on MOC's slate got an appt yet? Or if one is in the National Pool? Does USNA reveal one's WPS?</p>
<p>most MOCs won't tell you if others got an appointment off their slate. You might find out if you happen to know others in your district that have applied or sometimes a hometown paper will report it. It is a little early still - remember, they don't have to get the slate to the SA until 1/31. Many MOCs already have the slate ready to go but are not submitting until 1/31. Before the slate is evaluated all candidates must have their files complete. This takes time... odds are good that at this point not all files are complete. The SAs do not reveal the WCS to anyone. </p>
<p>Med waivers add a new mix to the equation. In the scenario questions about an LOA that is pending a med waiver, the likely result is that the SA will work the slate and select an appointee (not the LOA person that needs a med waiver). Then if/when the med clears they will appoint that individual. This way they can move the slate forward and it also explains some LOAs because an LOA does not have to be charged to the MOC slate (but it can be charged). If the slate has a good #2 candidate, they'll probably appoint that candidate and then later pull in the LOA candidate (once waiver granted). That is just my guess and there are tons of variables depending on the other candidates on the slate etc....</p>
<p>UGH!</p>
<p>Our MOC's slate of 10 equals went in before the Nov 4th election. On the 3q'd list...but don't know where or what rank on that list. </p>
<p>When are Veep noms given out?</p>
<p>navy18, I think the answers to your questions are NO, NO and NO. Sigh! Like MomofHopeful2011 said, you might glean some info from newspaper, etc. Still, though, you wouldn't know how exactly the appointment was charged.....to MOC or other source. Often, several appts offered in one MOC district, and no one, the candidate, etc. knows how USNA charged it all off!</p>
<p>So, MomofHopeful2011, did yours get in? And if so, when did you find out about son or daughter's appt?</p>
<p>Maybe we should get all the parents of successful candidates from this year and years past to regal us with their stories of waiting and then finally finding out to entertain the rest of us while we wait! Did the UPS man or Fed Ex surprise you? Or did you find out via phone call from MOC? Maybe you noticed your DoDMERB status change? Falling star? Tea leaves? And then was there a big celebration? Screaming? Fainting? Give us some details!</p>
<p>I'll bite... Class of 2010 - not everything was on-line like DoDMERB.</p>
<p>Feb 2005:Preliminary Application for NASS
March: Learned about NASS acceptance via email as the packets that were being sent out had an error. Packet came a few days later - I seem to remember beginning of March. Went to NASS in the 3rd session.</p>
<p>July: Finished the application mid July however had to wait on one (math) rec until school started in late August.</p>
<p>September: DoDMERB physical was first week of September - eyes on a Thursday, physical the following Tuesday.</p>
<p>September: 3 MOC applications finished Mid September
September: Invited to CVW letter dated Sept. 28th</p>
<p>September: DoDMERB DQ (waiverable) letter dated September 30th. At that time eyesight still had to be 20/20</p>
<p>October: Scholastically qualified letter dated October 8th
October: LOA letter dated October 14th - never came in the mail until mid November, however all 3 MOC's received copies.
October: Medically qualified dated October 28th - the eye requirement changed from 20/20 to 20/40 during October of 2005.</p>
<p>November: 4,5 and 12th MOC interviews.
November: LOA letter finally arrived even though it was dated October 14th, Got it a few days before nomination (nomination was the only thing missing)
November 17 Senator letter with nomination
November 21 Congressman letter with nomination</p>
<p>Calls from both Senator and Congressman end of November, at school, one on Mids Cell the other on the school phone system. The Cell was a voce message from the Senator - he did not erase it until the system did!</p>
<p>December 6 2005 Appointment letter dated - arrived via US Mail - larger than mailbox, postman left between the front doors - we actually did not find it for a while as we do not use front door! (it was probably there for about a week)</p>
<p>Jan 2006 went to CVW the last weekend of January
March 2006 sent back acceptance form</p>
<p>IDay June 28 2006
Signed Second Class papers August 18th 2008
Will Commission on May 28, 2010</p>
<p>Was the second college acceptance to come. He was obviously excited but I do recall that there was more "relief" when the first acceptance came - the proverbial "I can really go to college"</p>
<p>Very excited after CVW - bought the window sticker for the car. I was not allowed to put one on car until after IDAY!</p>
<p>Waited for other options to come (on our recommendation) until sending back acceptance papers.</p>
<p>Got very cold feet late April and into May - Am I doing the right thing - Do I really want to do this - What am I doing... Not all that abnormal for an 18 year old. Remained somewhat hesitant until a week prior to IDay when he became very excited again. </p>
<p>Going away party the Sunday before IDay. Lots of fun but also bitter sweet for him as he would be the first of the new graduates to leave for college, he would not be able to share the summer with friends nor share in all the excitement of everyone learning about roommates, buying dorm stuff etc. Excited about the future but melancholy about life as he had known it. (he went to a small school with only 90 in graduating class - these kids had been joined at the hip since 6th grade and some since pre 1st)</p>
<p>Iday - well that is another story - Why Did I do this! Thank goodness for the Chaplain Corps... We got the "phone call" that almost every parent gets at some point in the life of their Midshipman on the first day of Plebe summer - in person after the oath.</p>
<p>Within the first two weeks of being a Mid - settled in and has NEVER looked back.
My car sticker went on the car following PPW. We have never again gotten the I don't want to be here. Asked him if he was sure before signing his 2 for 7 papers and he looked at us as if we were crazy.</p>
<p>He has the most amazing friends and 2 roommates (the 3 have been roommates since plebe year and one during Plebe summer)
Getting a fantastic academic education. Has had good instructors. (some not so but only a couple) Opportunities at every turn... great speakers, fun events, good summer training experiences, and good sponsor family.</p>
<p>what a heavily documented account! I wish my mom was excited about the Academy</p>
<p>^^^^ She probably is in her own way. LOL I work in a research library - documents are our thing! He is an Only - parent tend to keep everything about the first or only. I was the third - there is not a picture to be found of babyhood, and nothing saved from school! Did they care any less - absolutely not - it just seems to be the way it is, a generation ago and still today.</p>
<p>Shes happy that i'll get a good education, but not too excited about the military. Im an only as well, perhaps that explains it. I hope I get a nomination soon, then Im all set!</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing, profmom! Great post!</p>
<p>wow - I tried to write it all down and found myself with a four page document! Before I can post it (or even a shorter version - since 4 pgs obviously needs to be pared down!) I need to see if my D has any objections to me posting it. Bottom line, however, is that the journey has been exciting, stressful and probably every other description I could imagine (good and bad!). D is thriving and cannot imagine herself anyplace else. I'll talk to D in the next day or two and if she approves, I'll post her story.</p>
<p>I have heard from other parents that their sons end up calling during the first summer crying to come home - do they all do that?</p>
<p>My son has an older sister in Army ROTC (core of cadets out of VMI). She went through the first null year and summer at West Point camps - she got through it all by realizing it is only a mental game and is coaching her brother to do the same. I hope it works because if I get the "phone call" I may jump in my car and go get him! (ps - I heard a joke yesterday - why is there a wall around the Naval Academy? To keep the moms out.)</p>
<p>Yes it happens, and yes it happens during Plebe Academic year and for some even youngster year. Just this past semester - in our Parent club we had a Plebe, youngster and yes even a second class separate. One not their choice but the other two decided it just was not for them.</p>
<p>It is very unusual to not get "the phone call" at some point during their 4 years by the bay.</p>
<p>Moms and Dads "mature" a lot when it comes to all things Military. Once they are at USNA or any of the other SA's you will find an incredible support system - for the parents. Even though you think now that you would "go get him," when the phone call comes you really will have a different reaction - you will listen, maybe or maybe not comment and lose some sleep and within a few days all will be chuckling about the "phone call."</p>
<p>On the same note if the "phone Call" ends up serious and they do decide to separate it is not a bad thing. The Military and SA's are not for everyone and the sooner they realize this the sooner they can move on. It does not mean failure. It just was not a good match in the end.</p>
<p>Regarding LOA and medical waiver, my Plebe's USNA medical waiver didn't come through until 13 May last year. Even at that late date, once the waiver was approved, she was told that her LOA would, in fact, be honored.</p>
<p>Regarding "the phone call:" It just depends on the Mid, and how much they really understand about what they are getting into before I-day. My Plebe (so far) has never even hinted at wanting to be any place other than USNA. She has made great friends, and she has had experiences already that she would never have had anywhere else (including participation in Inauguration events). On the other hand, a good friend who is in 2011 spent all of last year seriously considering whether he should leave. At a sendoff gathering last year, we asked members of 2011 about Plebe year. They looked at each other, all smiles went away, and they said, "We're glad it's over, it was really hard, and that's all we want to say about it." An alumnus we know told us that the first time he really liked USNA was on leaving the gate after Commissioning! You should know that now, he is a very involved alumnus, and every email he sends has the signature, "Go Navy!" Just keep in mind though, that USNA's retention rate through commissioning is roughly 80% every year. So, even if you get "the call," there's roughly a 4 out of 5 chance that your Mid will end up staying all the way through.</p>
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have heard from other parents that their sons end up calling during the first summer crying to come home - do they all do that?
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nah,,,, some call on Day 3....crying is optional!</p>
<p>Even the best-prepared appointees can be caught off-guard with physical demands, academics, time management, mental games- it can be a shock to some who are held in "great esteem" getting in, only to get their heads buzzed, told they do not rate the time of day, and forfeit every bit of independent thought or action, expecially during the early days. So what is a parent to do?</p>
<p>Listen, and support.
Send lots of letters, even if they won't get them for a few weeks.
Listen, and keep listening. Don't advise. Support.
The vast, vast majority want to be there- and they will be fine.
The ones you have to worry about, IMO, are the ones that got pushed into doing what they clearly don't want to be doing. Taking advantage of NASS, CVW, and any other visits you can manage are all a "good thing".</p>