What is the point of EFC if the family cannot meet it??

The first posts by many on CC show that parents don’t know much about paying for college until their kids are seniors (and may have already sent in the applications). I didn’t know anything. I didn’t know that the parents HAVE to file financial aid forms until their kids are 24 or there will be no financial aid. I didn’t know about state aid programs, or that books now cost $300 each, or that meal plans are in the thousands of dollars when I was feeding my entire family for a year on the amount they charge for one student for one semester. I thought that having $20k saved was a lot.

But I also learned that there are schools that are affordable, that there are state programs, that there are a few small scholarships that can ease the COA. One daughter has 9 line items of FA on her bill, the other has 6 or 7. I learned you have to look far and wide and can’t be picky about the school prestige, colors, dining halls, climbing walls, or marching band. Those things are all great perks, but when you need money, you can’t be picky. I was very lucky that my kids were flexible too. I don’t think OP’s parent were lying to her or misleading her, I think they didn’t know, and that somehow the student didn’t understand their finances or what the EFC meant. High income families, and she admits her family is high income, don’t get a lot of need based financial aid.

Jeez! People were hard on this kiddo. Kids have no control of how their parents spend their money.

We are in a similar situation. We have a comparable income to your parents, but until about 2 years ago we made around $50k a year. I had my graduating senior when I was sixteen and I was doing good to pay bills. I just finished paying off my own student loans this year. I managed to save some, but its barely going to cover the first year.

People see a six figure income and it seems like so much money, but it really isn’t. They forget about the increased cost of health insurance(if you’re like us and don’t have it via a corporation), and higher taxes. As a wise man once said “mo’ money mo’ problems”. lol I also know how high the pressure is to keep up with the Jone’s in this income bracket. It sounds like your parents have kind of caved to that pressure, and it does absolutely suck because you have zero control over that. I knew college was coming and chose to get a moderate house. I drive a paid off accord and my husband a 10 year old sentra. It’s kind of a bummer to see all our neighbors with their pools and new BMWs, but I guess its all in priorities. We live frugal, and I have no clue how we are going to pull this college thing off.

My son wants to go to Baylor so bad, but its just not feasible. Its one of those schools you either have to be poor and get aid, have very well off parents, or have a special skill set for a scholarship. I do know a lot of middle class families that send their kiddos there, but they are going into some serious debt. It doesn’t seem worth it to me. My child also wants to go pre-med. He has been accepted to Baylor, UNT, Sam Houston, and Texas State. He will end up going to the cheapest one. It may not be his first choice, but at least he’s going. If he gets into a prestigious/private med school down the road, we will worry about the cost then. Bottom line, where you go your first few years doesn’t matter as much as you think it does. Worst case live at home and do community college your first two years. My husband and I did, and we ended up being much better off than our peers.

Is it possible for you and your twin to attend the same school? My cousins are multiples and they got a free ride to a state school just for being twins. After my sons first year we are buying a house on campus and renting the extra rooms. Way cheaper than a dorm! Maybe your parents could do something like that? I had parents with money that wouldn’t pay for school, so I understand how frustrating having to use your parents income is. Good luck!

Baylor is not affordable for poor people. Although they will get some aid, they will NOT get the amount of aid they need - even $1,000 a year is out of the question for poor people, and yes, they will be asked to pay more than that. I can assure you that a poor person cannot even fathom being able to buy a house on campus …

For the vast majority of people, college is a big stretch. Some will borrow a ton to pay for it, but whether or not that is wise for you is an individual decision. Going to the cheapest option is not an unusual nor an unwise choice.

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Exactly. College Confidential isn’t real life. In the real world, most American students commute to the local state school or CC. Most families can’t or have no intention of spending an extra $10k-12k per year just so their child can live in a dorm rather than live at home for cheap. Most students/families struggle just to get tuition/books covered.

@KALmom11802 yes, she is applying to umass amherst, and I recently received my acceptance letter from there. I would think that some southern state schools or other state schools with higher merit aid in general might do the 2 for 1 deal, but idk about umass. Do you think it would be possible?

FYI I got into Baylor too, but it’s ridiculously expensive even with merit money- $80,000 over four years is only a drop in the bucket for me there :frowning:

Yes, having options beyond the local community college and state university is often limited to kids of wealthy-but-not-spendy or very frugal parents, unless the kids are at the top of the heap in high school so that they can get either the biggest merit scholarships or admission to the colleges with the best financial aid. It does mean that low achievers from wealthy families are as likely to graduate college as high achievers from poor families, so the apparent meritocracy of college includes a heavy dose of inherited aristocracy. See http://www.epi.org/blog/college-graduation-scores-income-levels/ (chart at the bottom).

@KALmom11802

You might want to think twice about buying that house. If your son receives any need based aid…this rental property will affect that. The equity will be considered an asset…and the rents will be considered income.

We had friends who did this…they were wealthy enough to do so…their income fully supported being full pay where their kid went to college. The kid loved on one room, and they rented the other two. It seemed like a great idea until their kid graduated and they could not sell the property…at…all. They even lowered the price (it was in an area where a lot of students lived). They eventually it…and it was one headache after another. They never intended to manage a property, their kid do that when she was a student living there.

Anyway…after three years of renting, they basically wholesaled the place. They ended up losing money.

But they were financially in a position where it was sort of OK. It sounds like your six figure income will cover college costs at a less expensive school…and that’s it.

OP it sounds as if you are finding some options that are a bit more financially feasible and are approaching this with a great open mind, kudos to you for that and for being willing to look for the best options.

I want to just say that you parents, like many, may not have had a good feel for what college costs were at all and may well have thought that 20k would go farther than it will. They may well have assumed that it would cover maybe half of the amount needed…versus 1/4 (assuming an EFC of 20 and finding schools where that was your net price). Many many people are shocked at the cost of college and find out too late. Many also put themselves through school and assume that kids can still do that today and it just isn’t possible for most, at least not on a traditional 4 year path without having full ride stats and being lucky enough to be offered a full ride somewhere.

Many of us find ourselves in situations like your parents. In our case it’s a combination of things, 4 kids to put through college, divorces, layoffs and choosing not to cut back on retirement savings or luxuries like music lessons or family trips. I don’t fault your parents for not having saved enough, it happens. We saved, but we didn’t save the million dollars that our EFC would indicate we should have saved for 4 kids when you add up what our EFC looks like for years kids overlapped, and the years they do not. We cannot afford our EFC either. I also, quite frankly, do not regret the choices we made. However we did our homework early, and came up with a plan that worked for us. We have only considered schools for all the kids that came in at or under our (2 kids in school at once) EFC. And we figured out a way to meet our EFC if needed. It does mean that when offers come in that aren’t where we need them to be, the schools get cut. And that can be hard and painful, even if it was a known possibility that the offer might not work. It is why the first rule of CC really is to find a financial safety that you would be happy to attend. Sadly GC’s do NOT focus on this at all. In some ways, for privacy reasons, they really can’t. They can provide the tools, tell students and parents to fill out fafsa but they are simply not equipped to educate people on what that EFC number really means. The rare one, does, but generally we just see a list of “resources” provided and the burden falls to the student and parent to do their homework and the information really is out there for all schools, to have a decent idea of where you might stand.

What is unfortunate is to just realize it now and still not having frank financial conversations with you about what they can actually contribute that you can count on. It is your FAFSA, not theirs, you have every right to look at the entire thing, not just a glimpse. They aren’t fun conversations to have with your child that’s for sure but you can’t plan without that information and I am sorry they aren’t sharing more. I do understand different kids having different college needs and that sometimes, that does mean different finances for each. We certainly look at all of that for each of our kids and it’s been a bit different for each. For my current senior if he wants something beyond his financial safety he will have to work summers and at school (ideally not first semester but we will see) and will have to take out loans up to the federal max allowed. But that will be his choice and he is not looking at grad school. His older brother had to work for spending money and books, but no loans and he lived at home for the last year. His sister, no work and no loans but she is looking at grad school and quite frankly had the stats that earned us giving a bit more (requiring less lol) as a reward. For this one, he will do better at a certain type of school but he has to want it badly enough to have skin in the game at a bit of a deeper level than the other 2 (it’s also a different funding source so he does have less to work with than the older 2) and we will see how it really plays out. If he goes that route and does well, and we can help pay off those loans for him, we will but a little bit of undergrad debt can be manageable in my opinion.

Essentially you have 7 potential funding sources.

  1. Whatever your parents will contribute in cash, annually. Sounds like it is maybe $7500
  2. Your college savings $5000 annually.
  3. Your earnings. I've only seen one person mention this but there is no reason you cannot get a job and save/contribute towards your own education, beginning now. You should be able to save about $3000 over the summer if employed full time and about $2500 during the school year if you work 8-12 hours per week. Depending on where you go, you may be offered work study as part of your "aid" package. Take it. It will be better for your future years EFC than an outside job.
  4. Loans you take. Clearly this is not desireable if you are pre-med.
  5. Merit aid offered if any
  6. Grants offered if any (need based aid, unlikely at publics that offer you merit)
  7. Loans your parents take

As I see it, right now your budget is $18,000 (college fund, parents cash contribution and your work earnings) excluding any loans. Which is awfully close to your EFC. There are definitely schools, with your stats, that could come down to that level and you’ve been given a lot of suggestions on how to do it. You are lucky to have solid stats, it really gives you so many more options. The reality is finding a school at 18K is hard. Frankly finding ones in the low 20’s is hard. Very hard. Not impossible but hard. If your parents were will willing to split the difference with you in loans, you could theoretically make UMASS work (3500 in loans each) but given the pre-med it would not be the best option and that would be assuming your parents were willing. Personally, at their income level I think it is a realistic request but that is just my opinion.

You will want to factor in travel costs for most of these schools, it will vary by location quite a bit and can negate some of the savings of better offers. Also account for cost increases over time, something that may look doable at a stretch for year one may really be out of reach by year 4.

Also, if you have AP and DE credits, make sure to factor that in as it will reduce your overall cost in some cases.

Three letters for families with six figure household incomes who think they can’t save money for college: MMM. http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/

6 figures is anything from 100000 to 999999…depends on where you fall in that range as to how much you can save:)

I tried Baylor’s cost estimator and I put in what would’ve been my information as a senior in high school. Family of 3, 1 in college, income ~18k income, no assets, ACT = 33. Results:

You’re out of your freaking mind if you think Baylor is affordable to poor people given these results at least.

This being CC, I think the problem some see with poster responses began with OP’s early comment, which made some smh.

“There are a lot of colleges that understand the ‘middle class problem.’”

No, there are only a handful and they serve tippy top students, are ferociously competitive for an admit. Most colleges just don’t have the funds to give, in the first place.

And the amount your parents say they can pay isn’t enough for the net costs at the schools you originally targeted.

So now, Jan 1, what additional affordable schools are on your list?

I have not read through all the pages of this thread but I have not seen it clarified here yet. If your family’s EFC is $20k and you are a twin then that means $10k each student not $40k total. The EFC is per family per year not per student per year so being a twin or having multiple students in college simultaneously is actually a financial advantage.

Just want to make sure OP is clear. $20k per kid…does that mean the EFC is showing $40k per year or is the EFC showing $20k and you are doubling it incorrectly?

No. Each student completes a FAFSA, and each FAFSA gives an EFC for that student. This is not an EFC for the family as a whole if the family unit includes more than one college student.

Understand. When filling out the FAFSA it asks how many students will be attending college that year. If both twins answered 2 then that should mean that each of their EFC’s would of shown 50% of what a single student attending college in their family that year would’ve shown, correct? I don’t have experience yet with two students in college simultaneously but will in a few years. This is my understanding. It’s an Expected FAMILY contribution. The FAMILY has a determined amount that the feds believe they can afford per year total on college. How they notify or divide it up I am not aware.

@ZHB1999 - The easiest way to think of it, is that the FAFSA generates an EFC for that particular student. Then you would add the two numbers to see what the total is. In most cases each student (assuming just two) would be about equal (i.e. 1/2 of the total), but not necessarily. Since the EFC takes into account the student’s income and assets it’s possible for the numbers to be drastically different if the two siblings have significantly different income and/or assets.

I am not sure what you mean by determined amt. The number generated by FAFSA by itself only determines whether or not students qualify for Pell grants (or possibily FSEOG). The $$ amt does not represent any real # in terms of how much it will cost to attend college.

Every school generates FA #s differently. Most don’t meet need, so the cost is the cost minus possible federal grants. Filling out FAFSA qualifies all students for federal loans ($5500 freshman yr-$7500 sr yr). Whether or not a school offers any type of institutional aid to fill in the gaps between parental expected contribution and cost is totally institution dependent.

FWIW, even for schools that meet need, rarely is expected contribution split 50/50. Based on reading these forums, it seems like 60/60 is more likely even with the most generous schools.

My specific EFC is 20k and my sister’s is also 20k. When doing the fafsa, we each had to make accounts to fill out our (student) portion of it, escpecially bevause we had to report the amount of money to our names, not just my parents’.

@ZHB1999 and others…

Just remember…that FAFSA EFC is the MINIMUM you can expect to,be paying for college at the very vast majority of colleges. The very vast majority of colleges do NOT meet full need.

That doesn’t sound right. If a college has a tuition of $60k and a family’s EFC is $40k and that college meets 100% of need than that college is making up the difference by granting family the remaining $20k so while the family may not qualify for federal grants they are qualifying for college aid indirectly through their FAFSA EFC.