<p>Most Catholics tend to be on the liberal side except for issues such as abortion (which has caused them to gain the conservative tag). You must remember that the Vatican is very anti-war and pro-peace. Catholics are generally very different than the fundamental Christians except on the issue of abortion and to a lesser extent gay-rights. </p>
<p>Again, even at schools like Notre Dame, there are significant liberal populations. As a Catholic, I know very few Catholic fundamentalists.</p>
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the school i go to know is pretty left, socially speaking. only 1 person in our class is against cannibalism if both parties agree to it (the eater and the to-be-eaten). and that person is our 40 year old teacher. so georgetown is a perfect mix and probably doesnt have that many devout religious fundamentalists...i can only assume
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Whoa, whoa, I think you're a <em>bit</em> more liberal than I am. Haha.</p>
<p>For anyone currently attending g-town now, how are the girls. And not just looks (even though that is certainly important).</p>
<p>I have spent some time with friends at brown and mit and wasnt very impressed (again, not just about looks, but that too). While this is in no way going to play a significant role in what school i attend, its just interesting to know.</p>
<p>the girls are awesome. good looking, smart, interesting.</p>
<p>Brown blows. I got in there and my parents wanted me to go in the worst way. The whole school is a little weird and maybe it was just me, but it seemed like it was falling apart.</p>
<p>And come on..it's MIT. I hope you didn't go there expectiving good looking girls, cause that's just setting yourself up for disappointment.</p>
<p>Georgetown students are all about balance. Brown and MIT, generally, not so much.</p>
<p>I know as far as International Relations goes, you really can't get much better than Georgetown. But is there anyplace else, barring the Ivies (because I'd prefer a smaller, less cut-throat venue as an undergrad who's never been away from home and Georgetown seems too...stiff...for me) that has a stellar IR program? </p>
<p>I wish Northwestern had one...</p>
<p>JP26, why did Brown seem like it was falling apart?
What did you find that yoou didn't like, specifically.</p>
<p>Jolena, Tufts?</p>
<p>I know several kids from california who left after one year because they did not like the conservative atmosphere. Also, the medical school tuition costs way too musch so if you want medicine go to a place that has a cheaper med school. (since theirs is so expensive they get less quality students)</p>
<p>Georgetown isn't nearly as conservative as people think it is. Also, unless you're applying to medical school now, med school tuition has no bearing on your undergrad experience. Also, Georgetown Med continually attracts top students, is a top 50 school, etc. Sure the facilities could be better, however top students still attend, and Georgetown Med does have a name in medicine. Lombardi Cancer Center is also one of the top ranked if not the top center for cancer study.</p>
<p>Yeah, I was looking at Tufts, and it seems like a really nice place to go. I have a question though. How impacted is the International Relations major over there? Because I'm assuming it'll be doubly hard to get into the most popular major in the university.</p>
<p>Tufts and Gtown aside, any other good IR schools? Or good universities in general that have good IR or foreign relations programs? I'd like to go to a place that isn't very urban, but not isolated either. Mid-sized would be nice (somewhere between 4-12,000; Tufts has a nice enrollment population) What about international schools? Aren't there US-affiliated universities overseas? Has anybody ever heard of Franklin College in Switzerland?</p>
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<p>Try Johns Hopkins. Also University of Saint Andrews (Scotland) has a good program, and they are pretty good about taking Americans.</p>
<p>I don't remember the names of the buildings, but for each of the programs during accepted students weekend, I kept noticing how poorly maintained the buildings were. </p>
<p>Let's just say I wasn't impressed by ANY of the facilities, which was not the case for any of the other schools I visited. It just didn't have any redeeming qualities. The campus overall was very pretty...the ideal new england college campus. But the interiors of the buildings just were not impressive.</p>
<p>Hopkins IR is excellent, but it's definitely cutthroat.</p>
<p>All of the best IR schools will be cutthroat. That's the nature of the game!</p>
<p>On the whole, are Georgetown undergrads cut-throat?</p>
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Most Catholics tend to be on the liberal side except for issues such as abortion (which has caused them to gain the conservative tag). You must remember that the Vatican is very anti-war and pro-peace. Catholics are generally very different than the fundamental Christians except on the issue of abortion and to a lesser extent gay-rights.</p>
<p>Again, even at schools like Notre Dame, there are significant liberal populations. As a Catholic, I know very few Catholic fundamentalists.
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<p>Well, I'm a socially liberal Republican (I'm from California) and I wouldn't agree that most Catholics identify themselves as liberals. Catholics believe in a strong, traditional family just like other "fundamental" Christians. The two new Supreme Courst justices are Catholic. </p>
<p>By the way, did anybody else get a very sick feeling from "Crash" winning best picture; it's a joke. The characters are so unreal and lack any depth; the rich white girl from west LA, the persian shopkeeper, the Chinese (who spoke Korean) human trafficker, the black "thugs" from south-central. I swear it seems as if "diversity" is so in nowadays that the movie won just because of the topic of the movie. Race relations in LA are nowhere near as bad as the movie makes it out to be.</p>
<p>Crash wasn't about predicting race relations, it was about showing that even minority groups that are traditionally victims of racism are also guilty of prejudice. </p>
<p>Are you white? That may also skew your view towards race realities. I would draw the following two examples:</p>
<p>(1) The Rodney King Race Riot. 1992 was not that long ago. 55 killed? yeah. that's serious.
(2) The recent RACE-RELATED riot in a set of California prisons over Latino-Black tensions.
(3) The following statistics, from the Public Policy Inst. of California:
- 70% of blacks, 64% of Latinos rated LA race relations as "not so good" or "poor" --> the statistics for whites (52%) and Asians (36%) were lower.
- 73% of blacks and 50% of Latinos thought police treatment of racial groups was fair "only some of the time" or "almost never" (compare this to 30% for whites, 38% for Asians)
(these statistics plus an interesting article of Crash all in The Economist) </p>
<p>Lastly, I think it's important to notice the significant amount of insulation that occurs even in "diverse" states like California. I once mentioned in conversation with a professor that California does not feel as "international" as DC. He looked at me completely dumb founded, but it is true. In the most densely populated parts of Californa, in Los Angeles, San Diego, etc. different groups can coexist with very little understanding of the others views. </p>
<p>For example, I went to school in a fairly wealthy suburb of San Diego. There was a fair amount of Latinos at our school, but I would say the majority of the people in my community had NO idea the kinds of things these kids faced. I had no idea until I was the sole white kid in a class of Latinos. The things that came out, the RACIST remarks that TEACHERS made to them. You would simply not believe it. Not to mention the RIDICULOUS amount of labeling that we impose upon people like "Hispanic (non white)" or Mexican (when a lot of immigrants come from Bolivia, Guatemala, etc). </p>
<p>Bringing this topic back around to Georgetown, if you guys are accepted, you will go through something the second or third day of school..I forgot what they called it, but they read from people's admissions essays and we had some really interesting speeches. Georgetown's population is diverse in unique ways. Some of the essays read included a guy battling cancer, a foster child, experiencing suicide bombings and fear in the Middle East, and another guy coming out to his parents. You'd be amazed at the diverse EXPERIENCES people have had in this world--even being WASPs or White Catholics or whatever. </p>
<p>I would say the biggest problem with Georgetown's diversity is not necessarily racial or religious, but socioeconomic. I imagine that there are few among us that have had trouble buying new shoes when we needed a pair, or whose parents had trouble paying for food, etc.</p>
<p>This has been long, I apologize.</p>
<p>Georgetown really isn't cutthroat. That's one of the reasons i chose it over places like Johns Hopkins. College is stressful enough without intense competition, seriously. I've heard stories of people's notes being stolen so that they would do poorly. We help each other out a lot here. I'm sure there are some people that really are just interested in doing well themselves, but as a whole, a lot of people do study groups and share notes and such. You may be the type of people that can deal with intense stress and competition, but I definitely am glad that we're more chill here.</p>
<p>i've heard mixed opinions about the sciences... any current students, is it as weak as some make it seem?</p>
<p>i just visited a few days ago and walked around with Dr. Hannum (exec academic assistant) through the department. he said that this year, there will be about 12 or 13 chem majors graduating. i gues i'd get lots of personal attention, but how are the professors? research opportunities?</p>
<p>the reason why i ask is that i'm also looking at duke, which is really strong in sciences, but i'm worried that i'd be a little fish in a big pond, if you know what i mean.</p>
<p>and by the way, when i was there, probably 70% of all the women were at least pretty hot. i agree with collegepr*wler's A- rating for girls. i went to Wisemiller's to get a chicken madness (awesome chicken sandwich) and a 6'2" girl on the basketball team tried to pick me up. it was a fun day.</p>
<p>Considering location, tradition and price, GU seems like it would be pretty preppy. How preppy, though? I've been living in Europe for the last 5 years, and I don't know if I'm ready to get back into all that again...I'd definetaly prefer to be somewhere with a social reputation closer to NYU, Brown or Berkeley for that matter. But the SFS is my top choice academically and since I got in...</p>
<p>...but fellow students create the atmosphere. And if it's prep-ville, I might be making a big mistake.</p>