What is wrong with UVA?

<p>I'm a community college student who is looking to transfer into either Georgetown, UChicago, Cornell, UPenn, and UVA. But after, browsing thru these threads, I hear many complaints about all of these schools (examples being, Georgetown and Penn's preprofessionalism, Cornell and UChicago's course load) except UVA. I read disputes of reasons not to go to Berkeley and the large amount of TAs teaching undergrads at Harvard. I even heard from a College of William and Mary alumni that with Williamsburg being a tourist town, almost every store closing at 9 which would probably factor in to the lack of social life at William and Mary. I'm surprised that they're no disputes with McIntire(UVA) being 2nd after Wharton in the top 50 schools in Business Week. Why is Stern and Wharton the hot topic and not McIntire?</p>

<p>Are there any threads that give reasons NOT to go to UVA, or is UVA's greatness undisputed? And what's a wahoowa?</p>

<p>uva just happens to be the most perfect school in the universe, and theres no reason to complain.</p>

<p>on a more serious note, players on the football team are thugs, the school is very self segregated (and the greek system is almost an entirely separate entity), and charlottesville isn't exactly a mecha of activity. First year dorms arn't particularly nice (unless you live in one of the brand new ones). There's a fair amount of core requirements you have to complete. And at the moment there is a fair amount of construction going on around grounds. </p>

<p>Other than that though I think UVa is a pretty sweet place to be. ;-)</p>

<p>Also, a wahoo is a fish that can drink twice its weight - which is supposed to be metaphorical of the amount of drinking that goes on. It also is the unofficial mascot and the main cheer of the school.</p>

<p>For liberal arts and business there are few equals in the larger schools. It is not particularly strong in the hard sciences or engineering but at least decent enough to get by. Decent weather, nice campus, close to the northeast, good town, great school spirit/sports--the complete package.</p>

<p>My friend Rebecca goes there and, according to her, there's a lot of race/class segregation, all the kids instate are horrendously stupid, all the out-of-staters are nerds, and everyone has money.</p>

<p>So do with that what you will. Haha.</p>

<p>your friend rebecca sounds pretty stuck up eh?</p>

<p>I know a lot of people at UVA (for not going there), and almost all of them are very intelligent people.</p>

<p>Regarding wahoo, I believe the most credible story goes back to the rivalry with Washington and Lee.</p>

<p>"everyone has money."
Old or new money? Put differently, are they snobbish? Snobs are always middle class/nouveaux riche (same thing).</p>

<p>There is a snobbish old money element too.</p>

<p>OB: don't write off Haas/Berkeley. Almost all of the criticism coming from this site is from two people.</p>

<p>every school has its rich kids, and its snobs. uva just happens to be public and have its rich kids and snobs - whereas i feel most of those rich schools are private. it adds a little bit of charm ;-).</p>

<p>i guess one thing you could add is UVA doesn't have as strong of a name in the Northeast if you wanted to work there. That's not to say it's not known, but it's def. overshadowed by the big names of Cornell and Penn.</p>

<p>I would pick UVa because it has character. The other 4 schools are bland by comparison.</p>

<p>Very segregated. Its a great school but not as good as the Ivies at grad placement or recruiting. The firms Mcintire places into are not "elite," while places like Duke, Dartmouth, Columbia, Wharton, HYP feed many more into the top top firms.</p>

<p>When I visited I was immediately turned off. My father was really disappointed I didn't like it because he's a lawyer and he says anyone who went there gets a lot of respect in the professional world... I don't know why he thinks that, he's just really biased toward some schools.</p>

<p>Anyway, there were several reasons I really disliked it: I didn't see any students of different races/ethic groups together. It was blacks with blacks, asians with asians, whites with whites.<br>
People also were generally a LOT less friendly than at other schools... or maybe it just seemed that way because I had just been to W&L? I don't know. The only really friendly person I met was this hippyish grad student who told us about the serial rapist in Charlottesville that hadn't been caught yet.<br>
Charlottesville did not seem like a town I would like to live in or one I could feel safe in (and not just because of the serial rapist.)
Also, there were adults all over the place. I thought maybe it was alumni weekend when I was visiting or something but a student said that's how it always was on the weekends. There were more adults walking around than students, which really bothered me... but that's probably just one of my pet peeves.</p>

<p>Look, you can find something about every school that SOMEONE isn't going to like. Of course, what one person doesn't like is what another thrills over. So, here's the book on UVA.</p>

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<li><p>Prestige: UVA is very prestigious in the South and Middle Atlantic. Beyond that, it basically has very little brand recognition. From New York north on the East Coast, prestige tends to be centered on the Ivies and a few other schools residents there might have heard of (Stanford and Duke, for instance). Lack of prestige outside those regions may or may not be important to you.</p></li>
<li><p>Culture: Make no mistake about it, UVA is a southern school. Though the single largest contingent of students is from Northern Virginia (NOVA), and those students tend to be cosmopolitan with parental roots from all over the country, there are enough strongly southern influences and traditions that many who are not from the South may feel a bit uncomfortable. Or they may not, depending upon how much culture matters to them. Overall, the school is conservative to very conservative, though as in any large school, there is a contingent of liberals. </p></li>
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<p>This is not to say that there are not many out-of-state students. Approximately 1/3 of UVA students come from out of state, primarily from Pennsylvania, New York, and New Jersey (IIRC). The out-of-state students generally have academic credentials that are much more impressive than the Virginians (though not always, of course). This leads to some minor friction between in-state and out-of-state students.</p>

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<li><p>Class distinctions: Despite being a public school, UVA is overwhelmingly upper-middle-class and/or downright wealthy. UVA has one of the lowest numbers of kids eligible for Pell Grants in the entire country. The administration is trying to fix this, but the nature of the school and the way they view admissions makes that difficult. As a result, UVA is overwhelmingly preppy in its clothing and its approach to life. Those without much money may feel a bit left out there.</p></li>
<li><p>Class distinctions II: Virginia is an old state, and the family from which one hails can matter there. Certain fraternities (and perhaps to a lesser degree some sororities) will not consider you if you are not from the right family, the right region, the right skin color, the right amount of money, etc. On the other hand, other fraternities and sororities are very inclusive.</p></li>
<li><p>Race/class distinctions: UVA does a better job of graduating African-American students than any other school in the country. But relations among the races at UVA are not good. They are cordial and polite, no doubt, but there is little or no interaction. I have met an unusually large number of AAs who disliked their experiences there.</p></li>
<li><p>Fraternities/sororities: UVA has a very large Greek scene. As a result, there is a large contingent of students who, shall we say, are not very focused on their studies. That appeals to some people and turns others off. You do not have to be a Greek to have a social life (especially if you are female). Basically, the Greek scene leads to a rowdiness that appeals to some and not to others.</p></li>
<li><p>The Honor Code: There was a time when UVA's Honor Code was one of its chief selling points. Basically, students agree not to lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate anyone who does. Older alums tell me that they used to be able to leave valuable property pretty much anywhere for days on end and then retrieve it with no fear that it might have been stolen. Cheating was supposed to have been nonexistent or extremely rare. Younger alums now tell me that, while the Honor Code is not dead, it is substantially weakened.</p></li>
<li><p>General friendliness: UVA students appear to be generally friendly and helpful. This may not apply so much across race/class distinctions. Northerners often mistake Virginian politeness and reserve for snobbery or unfriendliness.</p></li>
<li><p>Teacher/faculty interaction: UVA is one of the few public schools of its size that has maintained a focus on teaching undergraduates. This makes it very attractive to undergrads (as it should). This is changing a bit as the school grows and as pressures on faculty to produce research results and publish increases, but it is still a good place for undergrads to get to know their professors who, more often than not, treat learning as a collaborative experience and undergrads as more than just another nuisance.</p></li>
<li><p>Sports: Some people like schools with big-time sports programs. Others dislike those schools. Make no mistake, UVA is a jock school in its focus on football, basketball, lacrosse, baseball, and several other competitive sports teams.</p></li>
<li><p>Architecture: The Lawn/Range area is simply stunning, and is a UN World Heritage site, which puts it in the same category as the Versailles and the Taj Mahal. In 1976, American architects voted this areas as the greatest architectural achievement of the past 200 years. The rest of the architecture on the "Grounds" is of mixed quality. The campus is large. If you have trouble walking, other places may be better for you. </p></li>
<li><p>Charlottesville: Charlottesville is among the best of college towns. The surrounding area is heaven for history buffs, and there are many, many outdoor activities nearby. The surrounding area is full of pristine farms, horse breeders, and the like. Major cities are distant. Richmond (if you can call it a major city) is 60 miles east.</p></li>
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<p>Anything else you want to know? Something I've missed, maybe?</p>