What kind of schools would be a "match" for me?

This is a complicated question. Forensic psychology is the intersection of psychology, sociology, criminology, and law enforcement. To be certified as an expert witness as a forensic psychologist, you need either a PhD or a PsyD. Forensic pathology is a medical specialty and therefore means medical school. As Parentologist, Momocarly, and Merc81 have already wisely said, we’re talking about years of advanced graduate study. Is this your plan? Are you prepared for that financially?

Professionals who work in the FBI’s Behavioural Sciences Unit typically have 7-15 years of criminal investigative experience before they get there. That’s another career path. They might even pay for grad school. To get into the FBI, you need a college degree. A law degree. You also need to pass a physical fitness test and a very difficult multiple choice test, which covers 5 areas: logic based reasoning, figuratively reasoning, personality assessment, situational judgment, and preference & interests. If this is your path, then it can give you some direction for what to study in college.

As Parentologist said, colleges that offer degrees in forensic psychology are typically not too colleges and are therefore not likely to get you where you want to go. So, you need to make some choices about a career path. Psychologist? Medicine? Lawyer? Law enforcement? Depending on your goal, there will be a different path to follow through college.

In addition to Penn State, which was already suggested, here are some colleges with strong programs in criminal justice and are not in big cities (at your request):

Penn State
Michigan State
Cal-Irvine
Florida State
University of Maryland

In addition to the profiling program at the University of Central Florida, the University of Utah offers a profiling related program in criminology in its College of Sociology & Behavioral Science. I don’t know if the cities of Orlando and Salt Lake City are too big and therefore the kinds of urban areas you are trying to avoid.

The problem with all of these schools is that they are all very big universities and you are looking more mid-size. I’m trying to give you the broad overview. Can you select a career path from the options listed above and a major from the ones suggested above since forensic psychology is probably too specific at the undergrad level?

You can get a master’s in forensic psychology at George Washington or University of Denver and could think of a 5-year BS/MS approach, but again we’re talking about big cities. So, maybe a 4-year college elsewhere with a master’s degree to follow? Does that make sense financially? And again, would be your undergrad major?

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I have this odd experience of starting and running the largest private college counseling group worldwide and writing a book published by S&S on college admissions - and building a search tool as well. Sorry if you don’t agree, but here is my take-

Students who do more thought up front do better, choose better, graduate more and are happier with their experience. I do not care much about geography. I just care that students figure out what they want.

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Honestly, my first thought to this is “you work with the elite and have a chip on your shoulder.” For 20 years I have worked with “typical” students and heard feedback from many.

To each their own. We live in two different worlds. Having both of our viewpoints out there is a good thing on a college board. Readers can identify with which one they belong to.

Nope.

I started a non-elite company. Employers paid for the solution with a focus on diversity. Anything else?

THIS! 100% this!

If that leg work is done well and thoroughly, students end up with a well balanced list of schools they love. None of this moping of I only got into my safety, because the safety has the love too. It also makes the “why us” essays more compelling.

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And this part I agree with FWIW. For some, geography matters. For others, they just want to explore and are happy doing that wherever their best choice happens to be. :wink:

Thanks for seeing my point. I appreciate it.

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Seriously, I see no need to continue this discussion. With the actual topic involved, the OP and reader don’t need it.

I take offense at the part where you had to brag about yourself. Period. You are not the only one with significant experience on this board. (Which is not the same as saying your experience shouldn’t count. It does. The same as anyone else with experience. Writing books and starting companies is meaningless.)

Sorry if you feel that way. I just wanted you to know I spoke from my experience with more than 100k families. Not sure why my original point hit you funny - just wanted to make sure OP gives things proper thought. You felt differently and thats cool with me,

With this thought we don’t disagree. We only differ in saying Geographical consideration has to come pre-application. I say not true for everyone, you say it’s better.

I doubt we disagree on much TBH.

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I think many schools mentioned above, like Haverford, are far out of reach due to low gpa, act, and lack of rigor. Schools like New Haven, Charleston and Tampa mentioned above more fit your profile. But forensic psychology is a niche major so you should look at schools that offer it specifically. See link

New Haven, Syracuse, Embry Riddle, and Florida Tech could be good choices. Syracuse a slight reach.

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awesome, thank you!!

thank you so much, this was really, really helpful!! : D

The area around U of Denver is not overwhelming in its urban-ness, but you can get on the light rail and get to anywhere in the area (including, notably, the airport - would be an easy trip from Philly and yet a complete change of scene). Could be a really nice setting, and seems like potentially a good target. Has a great music school so ensemble singing opportunities should be plentiful. Has a terrific leadership-oriented cohort honors program - the Pioneer Leadership Program - that might be of interest. The sociology department offers a criminology major, and also a minor that could be combined with a psych major, in addition to the forensic psych masters already mentioned. I definitely wouldn’t rule this school out just based on the setting, at least not without a closer look.

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Thanks. I’m not at all familiar with the area and have only been to Denver once. Your direct provides helpful perspective.knowledge

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