What major is the coolest???

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Anyway, move your date to about 500 years ago DRab, when science developed the scientific method and was hence forever separated from philosophy.

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<p>Amazing, science developed itself without even existing first? Or did it exist first? Then it wasn't really developed, at least not 500 years ago. I'm confused, what are you saying? :rolleyes:</p>

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From classical times until the advent of the modern era, philosophy was divided into natural philosophy and moral philosophy. In the 1800's the term natural philosophy gradually gave way to the term natural science. Natural science was gradually specialized to its current domain, which typically includes the physical sciences and the biological sciences. The social sciences, inheriting portions of the realm of moral philosophy, are currently included under the auspices of science as well, to the extent that these disciplines also use empirical methods. As currently understood, moral philosophy still retains the study of ethics, regarded as a branch of philosophy and one of the three classical normative sciences.

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<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Forms of science historically developed out of philosophy or more specifically natural philosophy. At older universities, long-established Chairs of Natural Philosophy are nowadays occupied mainly by professors of physics. Our notions of science and scientists date only to the 19th century. Before then, the word "science" simply meant knowledge and the label of scientist did not exist. Isaac Newton's 1687 scientific treatise is known as The Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy.

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<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_philosophy%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_philosophy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>You might also want to read about this.</p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Anyway, move your date to about 500 years ago DRab, when science developed the scientific method and was hence forever separated from philosophy.

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<p>This is absurd. Science developed from philosophy. During what we now refer to as the "modern era," epistemologists (for the most part) relinquished their religious upbringings in order to search for what can be true, or known, in all possible worlds. Along with their philosophies came the notion of reasoning by induction. Both the power of induction and view of the world unchained by religious dogma allowed science to flourish. The continual interplay between science and philosophy continued well into the early twentieth century, with logical positivists and mathmaticians contributing greatly to the project of improving the standards by which a scientific induction can be judged reliable. </p>

<p>"Philosophy of science" is available at most top universities. I suggest you enroll in it for disabuse.</p>

<p>Two can quote Wikipedia:

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science&lt;/a>
What I'm saying is obviously there was such a thing as natural philosophy, and obviously people tried to find explanations for the world around them before five hundred years ago. However, up until the Scientific Revolution this philosophy was very different and did not really accomodate the rational thought and empericism associated with science today. There was no such thing as questioning if the motions of the stars could be accounted for more simply or even carrying out an experiment on falling bodies because no one bothered to question the accepted dogma. And it is this change of thought 500 years ago that changed science into what it really is today, and what allows us to learn and discover all we do.</p>

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Scientific Revolution this philosophy was very different and did not really accomodate the rational thought and empericism associated with science today.

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<p>Huh? Then who were John Locke and David Hume? Was the former not the father of empiricism? Was the latter, in addition to Kant, not responsible for awaking us from our dogmatic slumber?</p>

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experiment on falling bodies because no one bothered to question the accepted dogma.

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<p>Here is some news: it is called Humean Skepticism. Read about it.</p>

<p>Here is an excerpt from the course description of my philosophy of science course:</p>

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The early logical empiricists, and especially Rudolph Carnap, were impressed with the development of modern logic at the hands of Russell and Whitehead and with the purely formal character of Hilbert's axiomatization of geometry. They were equally impressed with the development of contemporary physics and took that science as the paradigm of empirical knowledge. They thus were inspired to reconstruct the scientific enterprise itself as an axiomatic logical system. This reconstruction was to serve as the model for epistemology, and epistemology was to become the entirety of philosophy. </p>

<p>It is perhaps natural to think of scientific theories as special kinds of languages the way the logical empiricists did. But it is not so easy to make that insight precise, and at the same time preserve its explanatory role. By the time the empiricists' reconstruction was ``complete" the point of the exercise---understanding epistemology by understanding science---had been inverted. We were now attempting to fill in the gaps in our account of scientific theories by appeal to decidedly non-empirical entities: dispositions, counterfactuals, laws, etc. But the point had been to illuminate all of these by the proper analysis of the epistemology of science. Along the way, as well, all connection to the sciences as actually practiced was lost. So now we had neither an informative account of the scientific enterprise itself, nor an informative account of its implicit epistemological structure. Instead we had an unmotivated analysis of certain unwieldy formal languages. </p>

<p>Almost immediately in the wake of the failure of the logical empiricist program a new account of scientific theories arose, the semantic view. On that account theories are not special kinds of language but rather certain kinds of mathematical structure. Analysis of a scientific theory just is analysis of its mathematical structure. The account is sufficiently general to include more than mathematical sciences and has been applied to biology as well for example. While still the dominant account of scientific theories, its flaws are becoming more and more obvious. These flaws concern primarily the account's failure to explain important features of the role of theories in scientific change.

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<p>Philosophy continues to shape science to this moment. Have you ever heard of Bayesianism? Do you even know how to define a theory? Do not give me some dictionary-definition; that is just a palliative. Do you know who Thomas Kuhn is and the impact he had on science?</p>

<p>What launched empiricism, and science by implication, were the empiricist philosophers of the modern era. What continued to affect science was logical positivism, and later, logical empiricism.</p>

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<p>nspeds- lest we derail the thread too far let's take this to PM, alright? Keep an eye on your inbox.
(Note: I realize others commented on this discussion, so drop me a line if you want to join in.)</p>

<p>Yes, let us not make this too desultory, though I think a discussion on how philosophy continues to shape science would be enlightening for all – especially those who want to major in science, but also want a degree of the "humanities" in it. Analytic philosophy is respected for a reason: it is not laid back, relativistic, or nearly as easy as other humanities disciplines. Philosophy is a major that involves rigorous treatment of various problems from physics, mathematics, biology, science (in general), knowledge, reality, mind, to art and thought.</p>

<p>Ok, I'll start a thread in the CC Cafe for it then instead.
And if we have a thread on how philosophy shapes science, are we allowed to have one on how science shapes philosophy? ;)</p>

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are we allowed to have one on how science shapes philosophy

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<p>Oh oh! You can still send me a PM:)</p>

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are we allowed to have one on how science shapes philosophy

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<p>Sure, and given the blunder of logical empiricism, it is probably more of that than how philosophy shapes science!</p>

<p>Meteorology is by far the coolest</p>

<p>Actuarial science
Econ
Math
Finance
Accounting</p>

<p>Link to this new thread.</p>

<p>Finance....psychology is pretty cool too.</p>

<p>Sequential Art (aka Comic book design) my friend's majoring in it at SCAD. What's cooler than making comic books! Popular Culture is also a cool major.</p>

<p>what do you study in Political Science? what future careers come out of it?</p>

<p>Philosophy is the coolest, my friend. Except a large majority of people who like philosophy have a geek-vibe to them. It's still just so cool.</p>