"What other schools are you applying to?"

<p>We thought we could avoid this question but it's becoming more challenging. My niece received an email the other day from a coach at one of the LAC's where she's applying. She wasn't recruited (isn't that strong, just likes the sport) and isn't sure she's going to run in college but the coach and other teammates were very friendly and welcoming early on in the process. Her RD application has been in for a while but she just received an email from the coach asking for a lot of info:
- SAT scores
- Is she applying for fin aid
- Where else is she applying and did she apply anywhere early decision?</p>

<p>What do you do? She's very interested in the school and didn't apply ED elsewhere. She does need fin aid, quite a bit. She applied to 11 schools. This one is in her top five (she'd be very happy at any one of the five) but we encouraged her to apply to quite a few so she'd have a range of financial aid packages to compare and b/c this is our first time around and we don't know what to expect. </p>

<p>This question came up in her last interview as well. It's so unfair to ask these kids this question.</p>

<p>You’ll probably get more experienced responses to this if you post it in the athletic recruits forum - it’s really a whole different ball-game. Also, is the school that is asking a DIII school, so athletic scholarships aren’t part of the picture?</p>

<p>This comes up every year and you will get every answer under the sun. I asked it here 6 years ago, got every answer you can imagine and shared them with my son. He decided to list all 10 schools in alphabetical order. They were all similar schools, the “safety schools” would have known who they were anyway. I do think it’s a difficult question for a kid, but my son just decided to put it out there. He was not applying for financial aid and that’s on an application anyway. Why would anyone ask for that? I guess the ED question I can understand, but isn’t that also on the application? Could the coach not get on the phone and ask admissions?</p>

<p>Most parents here will tell you it’s ok not to respond to the “where else” question on an app and I agree, but I left it up to my son.</p>

<p>“Level of applicant’s interest”</p>

<p>It’s a Division III school. And, again, she’s just a kid that likes the sport and, although a captain of her team, was not by any means the most competitive runner.</p>

<p>The thing is she can’t really avoid answering any of these questions, can you? It was an email from the coach and she wants to make it clear that she is very interested. And she is.</p>

<p>Are the other schools generally seen as competitive peer schools to the school in question? Or is the school in question usually seen as a safety relative to the other schools?</p>

<p>Definitely wouldn’t be seen as safety. It’s a school with an acceptance rate in the mid 30s. There’s one other school on her list – a very big reach and unlikely – that’s in the 20s. Otherwise, her targets are in the mid 30s to 50% and three that are clear safeties. I worry about listing all 11 schools, though, and yet I worry about not being entirely candid either.</p>

<p>Maybe we’ll just alphabetize… ugh!</p>

<p>It does seem like the list is close to optimal for this purpose with the school in question looking like one of the more selective (and usually assumed to be desirable) schools on the list, but with some competition from peer schools of similar selectivity.</p>

<p>My D had the same question from a D III coach. The school is one she likes, but it is not top of her list. The ones at the top have below 15% acceptance rates, so it’s a toss-up if she’ll get in. She was honest with the coach, who did say that admissions would ask her (the coach) if she would attend if accepted. The answer is she doesn’t know. The coach also told her she thought she would be accepted anyway (for what that’s worth!) It is a tough tap dance around the question, but it seems most D III coaches understand the issues.</p>

<p>I think the situation made my D sorry she had contacted the coach in the first place. She wasn’t really looking for the coach’s help with admissions, but once she contacted her, the coach was filling out admissions paperwork, etc on her. She had just wanted some information about the team, if she would be able to play if she went there.</p>

<p>After reading all this, I wanted to throw out there that your D shouldn’t worry about this too much - especially since it isn’t her top choice (meaning she doesn’t need the coaches support in admissions) because I’m venturing a guestimate at near 100% of DIII schools have walk-on try-outs and she would be able to play anyway.</p>

<p>I agree that it’s not really fair to ask kids this question, and that kids have the right to decline to answer it. But . . . life’s not always fair, and college admissions is part of life. Kids should treat a tough question like this as an opportunity to shine, not as a threat to be afraid of.</p>

<p>The only really bad answer you could give to this question is “I’m not applying anywhere else.” It’s bad because (a) it makes you look like a clueless idiot who isn’t ready for college or the adult world, and (b) it tells the coach that you have no leverage whatsoever.</p>

<p>Short of that, everyone knows that an applicant is applying to multiple colleges, and that the applicant has a strategy. Most of the time, if a kid has a well-thought-through strategy, talking about it intelligently (and not arrogantly) will make the kid look good, whether it’s with an interviewer, admissions staff, or a coach. What’s more, it lets the interlocutor know what the kid cares about, which can only help improve the quality of discussion about what the college or athletic program can offer him or her. It also makes the kid look forthright, and who wouldn’t rather deal with someone who’s forthright than someone who’s not?</p>

<p>The separate question, “If I support you, will you come?” is a lot of pressure. But from the standpoint of the coach, or most other people who would ask it, it’s an important question. I have a relative who is a senior faculty member at an attractive LAC, and he will interview anyone I send him, and be willing to support anyone he likes after an interview. His support amounts to a guarantee of admission – but he won’t use his clout unless the applicant promises to enroll if admitted. He’s not going to work against anyone who declines to give that promise – I know several people who have been admitted to his college after telling him they couldn’t promise that. But he’s not going to go out on a limb for someone who isn’t committed. That’s just the way things are. </p>

<p>With coaches, who are always negotiating with Admissions, and generally have tight limits on how many people they can help, asking that question is almost a necessity. And if they don’t ask it explicitly (even if they are not allowed to ask it), they are trying to figure it out and to answer it implicitly. An explicit discussion is probably better – it helps everyone avoid mistakes.</p>

<p>It’s perfectly fair to say, “This is one of my top choices, but not my only top choice,” and “I can’t commit anywhere before I know what the financial picture is.” It’s fair to say, “I don’t know what I would do if I had to choose between here and X with the same aid package; tell me why this is a better program for me.” It’s fair to say, “This is one of my top two or three choices, and I could commit here if I knew that the financial aid package was [f(x)].”</p>

<p>It’s also OK to say something like, “If I get into X, Y, or Z with decent aid, I would probably go there. But I love this school and this program, and if things work out that this is my best option, I’ll be completely pumped about being here and coming out for this team. I’d love whatever help you can give me, but save your big favors for surer bets than me, because if I do come here, I want the program to be great.” That may not guarantee you admission to the college, but I think it probably guarantees you the coach’s respect, and a good start to your relationship with the coach. And I would be surprised if you didn’t get some help with admissions out of it, too.</p>

<p>The important thing is to know what you think and what you care about, and how this college and this coach fit into that system. If you are solid on that, and prepared to talk about it confidently and honestly, you are going to win respect from a lot of people.</p>

<p>It seems to me that this is different from the general issue of how to respond to this question–here, the coach wants this information to judge how strongly he should support the application–and you have a good story (except for needing financial aid). I would answer honestly, emphasizing that the school is one of her top choices, and that she didn’t apply ED anywhere.</p>

<p>cross-posted with JHS</p>

<p>I think it’s a “different” question when coming from a coach vs a question on the application. How strong is the college program? They may very well just want to fill out their roster. Maybe the coach is the type of coach that would rather have a team of hard workers that get along then have to deal with drama and knows your Dd fits with the team? I would answer the questions honestly, list her top 5 choices maybe. I would also ask why he wants that information though.</p>

<p>It is definitely a good skill for kids to develop - being able to discuss these things with coaches. I believe my D has grown a lot in this area over the past year. The coaches at her top 2 schools know what her top 2 choices are and that she is just waiting on admission/scholarship decisions from all her schools. Neither are strongly recruiting her though both say they would be happy to have her on the team. Good luck to your niece kelbee!</p>

<p>Thanks for all the advice. I encouraged her to express her strong interest (it’s one of the schools at the top of her list) and answer the questions candidly. We’ll be alphabetizing the list as suggested above.</p>

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<p>I don’t know much about track but with football all the decent D3 teams are recruited. It is possible to walk on, but coaches have a preference for those they recruited.</p>

<p>I think that the OP has to keep in mind that if the coach is interested in her D he is in a position to help. He is in a position to help with admissions. Although D3 schools are not permitted to consider athletics when giving financial aid coaches are often able to refer recruits to merit scholarships that aren’t well publicized. Coaches know that other schools are recruiting the kids they are recruiting. Most of the kids my son is playing with (football, Case Western) were recruited by the other highly academic D3 football schools.</p>

<p>My advice would be that if this is a school she is really interested in attending that she be honest with the coach about her top 5. She should tell him that his school is one of her favorites and that she would be happy to attend if the family can afford it. If she has not applied ED anywhere tell him that. He is in a position that can only help your daughter.</p>

<p>Just be aware that all recruits are asked that question. Also often asked which schools are the athletes top choice. And, yes, it can matter, if you are not the top of the top whose preferences are already known.</p>