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That doesn't mean its any easier.</p>
<p>My guess is BruinMichelle is making one of the common "light slip ups" that people make who get in the "backdoor" entrances. My guess is she got into Columbia GS (General Studies), Penn GS, and Harvard Extension school. All are MUCH easier to get into than the normal colleges, its not even close. I know a few years back Columbia GS's acceptance rate was north of 70%.</p>
<p>this is for _42:</p>
<p>2+2=4</p>
<p>the state capital of hawaii is honolulu.</p>
<p>gavity is : "Gravity is a force of attraction that exists between any two masses, any two bodies, or any two particles. It is the attraction that exists between all objects."
( <a href="http://brp.arc.nasa.gov/Science/Y_GBL/bsc_resrch.html#grav_what%5B/url%5D">http://brp.arc.nasa.gov/Science/Y_GBL/bsc_resrch.html#grav_what</a> )</p>
<p>Phodopus roborovskii is species of hamster. etc, etc...</p>
<p>this kinda info doesn't change for the better or worse depending on what school you go to. the content of math, science, or biology classes are the same whether you go to harvard or compton community college. if i were to say 5 is the answer to 2+2; my answer would be wrong no matter where i went. like any other school, the majority of my grades are dependant on what i got right. many transfer students do the SAME class work in spite of working, taking care of kids, etc. not less work as you allege.</p>
<p>This is for porcupyne:</p>
<p>"In spite of its urgent need to presuppose something that the understanding could take as the complete ground for the thoroughgoing determination of its concepts, reason notices the ideal and merely fictive character of such a presupposition much too easily to allow itself to be persuaded by this alone straightaway to assume a mere creature of its own thinking to be an actual being, were it not urged from another source to seek somewhere for a resting place in the regress from the conditioned, which is given, to the unconditioned, which in itself and as regards its mere concept is not indeed actually given, but which alone can complete [the] series of conditions carried out by their grounds."</p>
<p>Immanuel Kant, The Critique of Pure Reason [A583-84/B611-12]</p>
<p>The school does matter. I strongly doubt a professor from "Compton Community College" could provide me with as good analysis and interpretation of Kant as one from Harvard, Yale, Rice, and so forth.</p>
<p>Edit: Leave to me to quote Kant:D</p>
<p>Why are you guys getting so defensive, im not bashing ccs, im not saying that teach incorrent infomation, or that for some people they arent a better choice for education.</p>
<p>All I am saying is that they are easier, I can say with confidence that unc-asheville while a fine school is not as hard as duke. One has a degree that means more because it has harder classes and more advanced classes. Why some of you guys are unwilling to extrapolate this to ccs I dont understand.</p>
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The school does matter. I strongly doubt a professor from "Compton Community College" could provide me with as good analysis and interpretation of Kant as one from Harvard, Yale, Rice, and so forth.
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<p>yeah i agree with nspeed</p>
<p>i'm just so tired of all of the community college people getting so offended when others state that community colleges are easier. I'm sorry if you're so touchy on this subject but the truth is that it is. On average, some cc are on par or harder than some universities, community college courses are easier when compared to universities, ie. ucla. Why is this? Well most of the people attending a community college are not serious about academics, have not developed the intellect or rational faculty as to the degree of other top university students, are attending because of the technical skills needed to to succeed in their jobs, and so forth. PLEASE NOTE THAT I CONSIDER MOST COMMUNITY COLLEGE PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM TO BE THE EXCEPTION RATHER THAN THE NORM FOR PEOPLE ATTENDING COMMUNITY COLLEGE. The tests tend to be easier, and the class average is lower, thus ensuring a better curve, which results in a better grade for students that would elsewhere perform at a lower grade level. You can't simply state that the education you got at uchicago is equivalent to a community college.</p>
<p>The statement that the content is the same for every class everywhere lacks a basis. Professors are biased about which material to teach; some will tend to lecture on a topic longer or even skip it. There are inconsistencies everywhere. </p>
<p>Also please don't take what i have stated personally. I don't belive that the people applying from a community college is any lesser in intellectual capacity than a university student; i just believe that most of the students at the top universities have developed, and thus learned how to utilize, their rational faculties to a higher degree than most people at a community college. I just think that some people are too senstive to this topic; it's almost like it's a taboo to state that community colleges are easier.</p>
<p>Now, my friends, when we talk about education you recieve, it might be better at a great university. But, it only depends on you if you want to be educated.
I'm from no cc, but people attending CCs are by no means supposed to lack in the rational and intellectual faculties even as compared to those at top schools, to a wider extent we have to think of socioeconomic status and thiers goals to life. Some people waste thier time in high school, thus ending up in community college or even not going to school.</p>
<p>The same goes for the oppositte, studying in UW Madison, I have met some really smart kids and then there are the morons who I can't believe would have gotten in. Even within the smart kids, you got the "text book smart" and the "people/street savvy", both who do amazingly well in school, though the so called "street savvy" are the ones who are more impressive due to thier ability to have their own opinions.</p>
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<p>why not? is there a law preventing a compton cc philosophy professor from analyzing and interpreting Kant? philosophy and other subjects such as literature and poetry are highly subjective. there are no true or false answers when it comes to certain subjects; only one's own interpretation.</p>
<p>porcupyne, wow, that is a pretty weak argument</p>
<p>of course there is a scale of how good ideas or interpreatations are. The fact that something isnt compleately provable or isnt proven doesnt mean it cant have any supporting evidence. There are all sort of things that would make one interpretation of kant better than another, how well it meshes with his other works, its straightforwardness, etc, etc.</p>
<p>hnbui: it's rather irrational to think that the majority of cc students are not serious about their education. a lot of the people i knew at my cc paid for their tuition and supplies. most of them were hard working adults and many had kids to support. do you honestly believe that they themselves would spend hundreds of dollars just to screw around? i didn't and many that i knew didn't.</p>
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hnbui: it's rather irrational to think that the majority of cc students are not serious about their education. a lot of the people i knew at my cc paid for their tuition and supplies. most of them were hard working adults and many had kids to support. do you honestly believe that they themselves would spend hundreds of dollars just to screw around? i didn't and many that i knew didn't.
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<p>you apparently didn't read my post to a completion or maybe you took it too personally and overlooked parts of my post.</p>
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Well most of the people attending a community college are not serious about academics, have not developed the intellect or rational faculty as to the degree of other top university students, are attending because of the technical skills needed to to succeed in their jobs, and so forth.
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<p>That statment expressed the diverse reason why the students are currenly attending the community college; there is clearly not on reason but many.</p>
<p>again you shouldn't take the fact that on average community colleges are easier than universities too personally. It doesn't reflect that you are less able to comprehend and understand cancepts and ideas nor does it reflect that you are more able to comprehend and understand concepts than others attending a university.</p>
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Now, my friends, when we talk about education you recieve, it might be better at a great university. But, it only depends on you if you want to be educated.
I'm from no cc, but people attending CCs are by no means supposed to lack in the rational and intellectual faculties even as compared to those at top schools, to a wider extent we have to think of socioeconomic status and thiers goals to life. Some people waste thier time in high school, thus ending up in community college or even not going to school.
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<p>i meant that most people have not fully utilized their rational faculties. I know i haven't. I believe that intellect is learned. By learning how to utilized your faculties, like many who are attending the top universities have done and must do in order to continue their success. That is what i meant. Not that people attending community colleges are lacking or unable to obtain the intellect expressed by others at top universities.</p>
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<p>So you are endorsing some sort of interpretive-relativism? That is rubbish. </p>
<p>As _42 aptly mentioned, there is a scale of determing whether a given interpretation is good. You cannot possibly argue that a professor from community college, who has probably only perused a secondary-source on Kant, is as good as a Kantian Scholar. Moreover, certain interpretations of Kant are, indeed, provable, and I have witnessed numerous professors ruin their reputation, at least in my eyes, because of their obvious misreadings and ensuing analyses/interpretations that were paltry at best.</p>
<p>Well, his creation of the faculties is surely not provable that is.</p>
<p>Wow, this has certainly turned into an exciting thread.</p>
<p>Just like jellybellies!!!</p>
<p>yeah, the battle lines have been drawn</p>
<p>it is <em>42, nspeds, and hnbui as the defenders of truth taking that great menace to the free world, the tag team of don</em>k and porcupyne.</p>
<p>Its a no holds barred cage match of epic porportions... and its only on payperview</p>
<p>nspeds - Kantian Heavyweight
_42 - The man who wants Stan.... ford, that is.
hnbui - The Cornellian</p>
<p>I was kidding actually. This isn't much of an argument. It is absolutely foolish to compare the quality of education one can gain from attending a top-flight university to one that can be gained from a community college.</p>
<p>Add Sanven4 to our side!</p>