<p>Where the hell do you all go to school where it is normal for everybody to cheat on tests? I’ve only seen and heard of one person ever actually cheating during a test at my school. I’m sure other people have done it, but it can’t be a multi-party effort since I would have at least heard about it. </p>
<p>There should be nothing wrong with being a snitch/ratting out. There is no need to wait for karma to get him or something. Karma can get him now.</p>
<p>You are absolutely right, Arthur13. </p>
<p>I just do not see why the snitch gets such a bad reputation if he/she is doing what he/she feels is right.</p>
<p>The “snitch” gets a bad reputation because in school, there’s a sort of students vs teachers mentality. The students feel like they are all one group and the teacher is the enemy so if you rat the cheater out you are sort of betraying your friends. ( wow that is some deep philosophical sh**)</p>
<p>Anyway, it’s sort of like calling the cops on your neighbor who smokes weed. You know he does it and that it’s illegal but there isn’t really much wrong with it so calling the cops (aka telling the teacher) is looked at as churlish.</p>
<p>There isn’t much wrong with smoking weed but cheating is not smoking weed. Faulty comparison.</p>
<p>of course cheating is not smoking weed but the situations are similar. You know what the person is doing is wrong ( or at least wrong by the law) yet you don’t really want to call the polish/teacher on them</p>
<p>It seems that a lot of people agree that if the cheater is doing better than you, than you should tell. I do agree with this point, but it is flawed if you’re basing your decision on ethics and not competition, because Pure morals would tell you to rat them out, no matter what. The only thing that would actually prevent you logically from ratting the person out is if there is some other dilemma wrapped up in this, like they’re your friend, or you are also a cheater, or you really don’t care, among others. Also, it could really depend on how this classmate may react, or what may happen to them. Could you really justify having people removed from a program because you felt you had to rat them out? I say, if you’re not going to do it, at least say something to the cheater or your classmates, you wouldn’t believe what fear of ridicule can do to some people.</p>
<p>Once, somebody got their friend to make a commotion outside so that the teacher would chase the friend. While the teacher was outside, the cheaters compared their answers to the answers their other smarter buddy had.</p>
<p>I just don’t like seeing people mess around with the teachers that I respect. Also, I didn’t like them to begin with because they stole money from the UNICEF coin donation jar.</p>
<p>Arthur, you’re clearly a cheating loser. Go away. You don’t even make sense. Good luck at whatever community college you end up at.</p>
<p>It’s not snitching. It’s protecting the integrity of your courses, preventing some loser from stealing a better grade, class rank or someone more deserving’s spot at college. I’d love to see a cheater get kicked out of class or failed. Can you imagine if you saw him crying to his Mom outside of the principal’s office? LOL</p>
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<p>jeez, alopez14, for someone who’s SO morally superior, you sure are mean…</p>
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<p>omg get help for this clear resentment you have</p>
<p>“Arthur, you’re clearly a cheating loser. Go away. You don’t even make sense. Good luck at whatever community college you end up at.”
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<p>Lol bro calm yourself. If you disagree with what I say make a sentence and say something so we can have a small debate/discussion. Don’t go calling people who you know nothing about names behind a computer screen.</p>
<p>On the internet ad hominem attacks are the best form of argumentation. Don’t you know?</p>
<p>alopez sounds like one of those goody-goodies.</p>
<p>Maybe it’s not as simple as you may think. I mean, chances are the teachers might actually know this, but for some reason they’d rather turn a blind eye to it.</p>
<p>I’ve read about a student who cheated all the way in high school and, because his family is well LOADED and has heavily bribed the principal (and also threatened the principal), no teacher dared to catch him even it was an open secret that he was cheating again and again.</p>
<p>So my suggestions:</p>
<p>If you have time — Write a anonymous letter to the principal. Honestly write everything; you don’t have to save face for that idiot. Then, see what happens. (But print the letter and send it thru the mail; you surely don’t want other people know this.)</p>
<p>If you don’t have time — Just leave it there. Live your normal life, and do believe that sooner or later, he’ll be defeated by karma in the most horrible way you can imagine.</p>
<p>Write a anonymous letter to the principal. ???/ What an ugly advice! What’s the moral in it? I believe it’s not of your business, study for yourself, no matter what others do!</p>
<p>When I was in HS we had a cute, popular girl that would call people every night to get the answers to the homework, sometimes calling several people for the same assignment. She regularly cheated on tests and had her parents do projects. Everyone kind of looked at it as a joke, not realizing that with her charm she was putting herself at the head of the class.</p>
<p>By 10th grade some one reported her as a cheater, but teachers didn’t believe it-- she couldn’t be so highly ranked by cheating alone, but it was true.</p>
<p>She was the Valedictorian of our class. I was in the top 5. We applied to the same college and were both accepted, but she was given almost a full ride, about $30,000/yr back then. I even had a higher SAT score and more extra curriculars! </p>
<p>So her cheating netted ger $120,000 over four years, while I struggled to pay. </p>
<p>That’s when I got mad. Karma finally caught up with her when she ended college with a 2.8 gpa and couldn’t get into medical school. I had a 3.8 and was accepted into my Grad program, but it still bothers me college cost her so much less because of cheating.</p>
<p>I still believe that there is goodness in cheating. I am not saying that in general cheating is good. But for me it is a case to case basis. Like what if you are n the middle of interview, particularly in looking for a job, you must do some cheating or else you won’t be hired. You must do cheating in order for you to survive the interview, because you are the only hope of your family. See, there is sometimes good in cheating.</p>
<p>There are many people that lie or cheat as you call it during an interview, only to get the job and later be fired when the truth comes out. Because it usually does. And you’re not helping your family if you lose your job and find it hard being hired at another place because you’re known as a lying cheat.</p>
<p>Can someone please explain how telling on a cheater is immoral? (I’m not trying to challenge anyone; I genuinely want to know where this idea comes from).</p>
<p>Stopmeifyoucan says that it is: “Write a anonymous letter to the principal. ???/ What an ugly advice! What’s the moral in it? I believe it’s not of your business, study for yourself, no matter what others do!”</p>
<p>Personally, I agree with a comment (way back in the thread). If he was just scraping by, then big deal. Cheating is still wrong, but in my opinion it’s worse if someone is putting them self ahead of others who are really working hard. To everyone who says “snitching” is wrong, in this case it’s not. He deserves to get caught because he is taking advantage of everyone who is honest in that class by cheating. I would however, write an anonymous letter explaining what is happening and propose new policies (like people have said above). Being an AP student myself, the culture at my school is one that if one person were to cheat like this, everyone would tell. We are honest, hard-working kids who deserve the spot in the class that we EARN and not have it interrupted by a cheater. Wow I’m rambling, but I think you get the point.</p>