what to do?

<p>I am trying to decide between the colleges I was accepted at. Here is a list of the pro/cons of each one.</p>

<p>RIT:
The good:
Seems like a tough academic program.
Departments are big so there will be a lot of research opportunities (plan on going to grad. school).
Talked to some people, and they said co-op is a HUGE help, long story short, their son did a co-op in college had no trouble finding a job, their daughter didn't and had trouble.
Tons of clubs (to make for short comings mentioned below)
Brand new expensive undergrad. labs.
Interested in producing real world results. (An example of this is the senior design project you do for computer engineering. You have to design it, build it, and the professors are interested in actually getting it to work.)
RIT appears to have fabrication facilities on campus, which as far as I know no other school has.</p>

<p>The bad:
Did not like campus at all.
Dorms were probably the worst I have seen.
People complain about food.
The campus isn't diverse.
Nothing to do in Rochester. (reason why there are tons of clubs)
Housing problems (think forced triples and quads in dorm rooms which barely fit 2 people)
Off campus housing is far away, and there is no chance I would be able to walk especially in the winter.
They used to have one of the lowest retention rates in the country. Its all explained here:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/rochester-institute-technology/234615-answer-why-rit-has-low-retention.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/rochester-institute-technology/234615-answer-why-rit-has-low-retention.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Misc: I have done a number of independent studies at my high school. One was of the programming language Common Lisp, another was building an amplifier for a guitar using vacuum tubes, and building an electronic drumset. I have a friend that goes to MIT and knows about my independent studies, and what he told me is that he doesn't think RIT would be enough of a challenge for me. </p>

<p>IIT:
The Good:
Absolutely loved the campus.
Very diverse.
Its in Chicago.
Doing research in areas which I am interested, but smaller departments.
No housing problems. (a majority of the students live in dorms after their first year, because the school is in Chicago, which i'll explain below)
Some students think the school is challenging in terms of academics.
I liked the dorms. I went to one of the old dorms and it was plain amazing. The rooms were not that much bigger than RIT, but they were bigger and the size made a difference. They don't do forced triples or anything. They have nice lounges, smaller ones for hallways to share, and larger ones for entire floors to share.
Vandercook college of music is on campus. As opposed to RIT where you have to go to the uni. of Rochester's music school, which seems to be downtown and is far from campus. (music is an ec for me and I play the drums, so just in terms of equipment in case anything needs to be moved or what not the closer the better, especially in winter time)</p>

<p>The Bad:
Its in Chicago. (A lot of parts of Chicago just aren't safe to be in. What I was told by my mom is that because I am not from the city, I won't know how to judge an area. She lived in Chicago for 3 years. She also said is that its going to become even more difficult for me because they are tearing down all the projects and replacing them with condominiums, so every neighborhood I saw I thought was safe. There definitely are areas around the campus that are not safe and you would not be in at night, but the campus itself is safe, and i remember my tour guide mentioning that its the 2nd or 3rd safest campus in IL.)
I felt like in terms of academics that their program was not as strong as RIT. Their labs were not on par with RIT, and it seemed like everything was more theoretical. Again an example is the senior design project for computer engineering. At IIT thats all it is, a design project. You are expected to design hardware, and simulate it on the computer. If it works and its a good design the professors will get it fabricated and thats the end of it.
It seems like things move slowly because its on the semester system as opposed to RIT which does 10 week quarters.
I also talked to people from their career office about their co-op program, and they require you do it with the same employer for 3 semsters. RIT you are required to do 3 co-ops for engineering, but you can do all 3 with different employers to help you figure out what kind of job you are looking for. I think I would prefer a co-op program like RIT's, because you might get lucky and fall in love with the company you do your first co-op with and just end up doing all 3 there, but if not then no hard feelings and you just go somewhere else for the next one.</p>

<p>Clark:
The Good:
3/2 engineering program with Columbia. I can major in math, graduate from Clark in 3 years, go to Columbia, and get a degree in computer engineering in 2 years.
Admission to Columbia is guaranteed as long as you meet the prereqs.
As far as the campus goes its not bad. Housing isn't really a problem for me, because my grandparents live in Worcester, but anyway its guaranteed for the first 2 years by Clark.
I think their math program is really dense, which I like.
A liberal arts education seems appealing to me as well, because it looks like a continuation of high school, only you are allowed to take more classes in the subjects you really like and are only forced to take 1 class in subjects you don't like.
Apart of the Worcester consortium, so I can take classes at any of the other 12 colleges in the consortium.
70% Girls, 30% Guys (I am a guy).</p>

<p>The Bad:
My friend at MIT thinks that I might not get to take all the engineering classes I want to at Columbia, because you are required to graduate in 2 years, but he said that Columbia might be more of the type of challenge I am looking for.
Clark is very close to my house (1 hour away), and extremely close to my grandparents house (10 minutes away).
If I go to Clark, enroll in the 3/2 program, and find that I don't want to major in math I could potentially run into problems.
Not a lot of research going on in math at Clark.</p>

<p>WPI:
The Good:
I know a few kids from my class that are going to go there.
My mom went there and is hell bent on me going there. (is that good?)</p>

<p>The Bad:
Its also really close to my house and my grandparents, because it is next to Clark.
I am worried about the pace of classes. (7 week terms).
January admission off the waiting list. So, I don't know what to do from sept. to jan. </p>

<p>I think that at this point I have crossed IIT off my list. I was also wait listed at RPI and Stevens tech.</p>

<p>i'm going to wpi today to visit.</p>

<p>I'm asking for help deciding for my colleges too - so I think it's only fair to help out other people too.</p>

<p>I am definitely NOT a math or engineering person, so if you need an objective opinion based on what you've said here:</p>

<p>I think RIT is your best bet - but it bothers me that you didn't really like the living aspect of the school - the food, the dorms, the city...because you are going to be living there for four more years - its like a home. </p>

<p>My second thought would be Clark. Any more info you can give?</p>

<p>I have actually decided to go to WPI. I plan on enrolling at Clark for 1 semester and going to WPI in january. The reason is because Clark is in the consortium, so any classes I take at Clark I can transfer to WPI. So, in the 1 semester at Clark I can knock off a few of my humanities and arts electives for WPI. I also talked to an admissions counselor and they said that next year they will be offering most if not all of the intro classes in january.</p>