What We're Buying With $1 Trillion in Student Loans

In Bloomberg a few days ago.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-02/what-we-re-buying-with-1-trillion-in-student-loans

An excerpt:

College is expensive, and getting more so every year. Since most families don’t have tens of thousands of dollars lying around, the government has responded with ever-more-generous student loan programs.

First there were the loans themselves, with interest subsidized while you’re in school. Then, when that proved inadequate, we instituted income-based repayment, allowing students to cap their payments at a percentage of their discretionary income (stretching out the loan, and getting forgiveness on any balance remaining after 25 years). Then, since that wasn’t quite enough, we made the terms more generous. Now the Obama administration has announced that it’s making 5 million more people eligible for the program.

You know what they say about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. This is certifiable. College is too expensive, so have the government make it easier to finance – then keep shifting more and more of the cost burden to the government, without doing anything about the underlying cost inflation that is making it necessary for government to get into the finance business.

The article acts as if the funding is completely wasted.

Give those who are on the bottom some breaks, please.

The big question is: How can we achieve it? By taking away too much influence of those who have “too much” on how college business is run.

Just an analogy here:

A long time ago, everybody lived in a cheaply built house that is more like a tent than a house in today’s standard. There is no big and powerful who dictates what house people should live in, everybody (at least most) can put the roof above his/her head.

Later, as the “society” is developed and becomes more advanced (the pie becomes bigger), somehow somebody on the top decides everybody should live in a mansion-like house. If someone really can not afford it, they would say they are “low life” or even “not even a human” and should not deserve all the goodies/perks that only those who live in an “elite” house can enjoy – like job opportunity, etc.

So more and more people can not afford the housing because the mansions are not cheap to build, and some even can not afford a tent and becomes homeless. Of course, those who fall through the crack have themselves to blame: they are either lazy or stupid or both, otherwise why can they not bootstrap themselves like those living in the elite house do?!

Replacing the house with the college in the imagined tale above, you get the sane picture about how our college education has evolved.

We can say ghe same about, say, medicine and healthcare.

@mcat2, somebody didn’t decide. People did. And other people decided to lend. And what world is this where houses were more like tents? In this country, houses built a century ago are sturdier than those built now.

Wait…what did we buy with the trillion?

^ Yeah, that’s never addressed, is it?

The money was almost completely wasted because it drove up the cost of college. Students who didn’t take the loans paid much more then they needed to, and student who did are on the hook for much higher tuition. In addition, default rates continue to climb because of the poor state of the economy driven in part because of poorly considered decisions like this one.

I have yet to see any shred of evidence to support this proposition, but some posters here repeat it ad nauseum . . . perhaps because it’s a favorite talking point of some ideologically driven radio commentator?

It makes no sense. The price leaders in higher education are elite private colleges and universities that derive very little tuition revenue from federal loans. According to US Department of Education figures, only 3% of Harvard students take out federal loans, and the “typical” Harvard student who borrows takes on $6,000 in debt by graduation. That’s about 2.5% of the total sticker price of a Harvard education, and since only 3% of Harvard students borrow, it represents about 75/1000ths of 1% of the total cost of a Harvard education for a typical Harvard class. In short, it’s beyond trivial.

I realize the numbers are different for other institutions, but other elite privates are trying to keep up with Harvard, and the elite publics are trying to keep up with the elite privates, and less-elite publics are trying to keep up with the elite publics, and so on. It’s student (and parent) demand for ever-increasing levels of services and amenities that’s driving up the cost of college education. Not federal loans.

Even where more students borrow, federal loans represent a fairly small fraction of the costs of higher education. At my public flagship, the University of Minnesota, for example, 45% of students take out federal loans, and those who do borrow graduate with a “typical” debt of $21,500. Those are substantial numbers, but $21,500 represents about 20% of the total COA of a 4-year education for an in-state student (less for an OOS student), and since only 45% borrow, that means federal loans account for, at most, 9% of the cost of a college education at Minnesota for a typical entering class. So there’s no conceivable way federal loans could account for more than 9% of the cost of a college education at Minnesota. And it’s probably a lot less. Take away that 9% by ending federal loans, and what happens? Well, some students (or their parents) would borrow on the private market that would re-emerge to fill the void left by the loss of federal loans, and end up with higher costs because unlike the federal government, the private lenders need to make a profit… Some students would take more time off to work, lowering 4- and 6-year graduation rates. Some low- and moderate-income students might seek less expensive alternatives, and that, in turn, might compel the university to lower its admission standards to fill its entering class. So who wins in that scenario? The university is weaker, both financially, and in graduation rates, and in the metrics of its entering class. The lower-income students who leave find cheaper but generally less desirable alternatives; they pay less, but they also get less, and probably on average their career earnings are less. The (generally more affluent) students who stay also get a bit less, because they have somewhat less credentialed classmates which could adversely affect the quality of what goes on in the classroom and also the perceived quality of a University of Minnesota degree; and if they borrow, they get that reduced value at higher cost. The only possible beneficiaries are a cohort of generally affluent but academically less qualified students who previously would have been denied admission but now are admitted because the university needs to replace the low- and moderate-income students who can no longer afford to attend. And for all that, we get what? Maybe at best a 1% or 2% reduction in average COA at the University of Minnesota?

That’s just a horribly bad bargain all around.

@bclintonk

Do u think easy-qualification, no-money-down mortgages contributed to the housing price bubble?

Access to cheap/easy money can drive up or at least prop up the price of anything. At the consumer level, folks are told something only costs $XX per month. Too many people don’t stop and think about the actual price. So when interest rates drop, the seller can raise the price with no perceived impact to the buyer.

Easy money in the college market has a similar effect. Student says ‘hey, that’s expensive’ and good ol’ loans show up that bring the price down. It puts no pressure on the seller (i.e. the school) to exercise price control.

There was a previous posting on this subject not too long ago and based on that I did some research on my local school UT Austin. I’m a little fuzzy with the numbers because I did the research a while ago. Every year tuition and fees increase and the prevalent stated reason is that state funding is not keeping up, so the costs are being transferred to the students. I believe state funding as a percentage of total had decreased to 13% down at least 20 to 25%. Based on that stated reason, I assumed that state funding had decreased but that was not the case. State funding had actually increased over, I believe I looked at about 15 years. Albeit not a lot, but inflation has also been very low. I then checked the number of students, thinking they were stretching the same amount of dollars over a larger student population. The student body population has remained about the same. I looked at professors’ salaries and did find increases, probably about 25% overall. I stopped looking at that point. This has led me to the conclusion, at least at UT Austin, they are not practicing price control. As long as parents and society continue to pay, they are not forced to.

bc, there are a couple of ‘studies’ by academics floating around. I have no idea as to the quality of the study, but at least it should qualify as a ‘shred.’ :slight_smile:

wrt the original post: I have no problem with the federal loans for undergrad students, since the limits don’t seem unreasonable. Where I have big concern is the unlimited Grad Plus loans and Parent Plus loans. We are graduating too many unnecessary lawyers, for example, with up to $250k of debt, but who cannot get a job as a lawyer, even at minimum wage.

^ +1

Meanwhile, the Repubs in Congress just killed the Perkins student loan program, which charged moderate rates (5%) and was aimed towards low and moderate income students.

The problems are not with the first $20 or $25K of federal stafford or perkins loans to get a bachelors degree. The problems are with people who take out private loans or excessive amounts of ParentPlus loans, or large amounts of federal loans for mediocre law degrees and graduate degrees of questionable value.

Sure, “contributed,” but i’m not convinced easy mortgages were the principal driver of the housing price bubble which was basically borne of the naive belief among consumers, bankers, real estate professionals, and investors who bought mortgage-backed securities on the secondary market that housing prices would keep rising forever. And even to the extent easy mortgages contributed, that’s a very different proposition. People were borrowing essentially the entire cost of the house. Federal loans don’t allow anything close to that for a full 4-year college education. Granted, there may be some community colleges and some fly-by-night for-profit (mostly on-line) “colleges” at which you can pay the full tuition with federal loans plus Pell grants, but that’s at the extreme low-cost end of the higher education market. That’s not what people are complaining about here. In the high- and moderate-cost market segments, federal loans represent a trivial (Harvard) to surprisingly modest fraction (University of Minnesota) of what people are paying for a 4-year college education. I’m not saying federal loans play absolutely no role, but if you do the math, it’s clear that federal student loans simply can’t be the principal driver of rising college costs.

Indeed, the Grad Plus loans are a travesty and crisis waiting to explode.

Can we keep politics out so the thread does not get locked. (And, btw, you might check your facts – other administrations have been seeking to significantly revise the Perkins, which is based on decades-old formulas, and disproportionately benefits private NE colleges.)

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/knowledge-bank/2015/09/02/perkins-loan-expiration-a-great-chance-to-reform-student-aid

The NY Federal Reserve Bank report concludes that the availability of loans and other types of student aid lead to price increases by the colleges.

Someone gives all of your customers money that the customers did not have before. But that money can’t be used to buy anything other than the product you are selling. You are going to raise prices. Duh.

A great example of this is the difference between college tuition and law school tuition. As noted above, grad school tuition can be financed with much larger amounts of loans. The result is that law school tuition is higher than undergrad. Even though a law school is pretty cheap to operate as compared to an undergrad school.

Why does Penn Law charge $59k in tuition when Penn undergrad charges $49k? Because they can.

@bclintonk - You must have missed the fed study that suggested that the increasing supply of credit (student loans) has been driving the increase in tuition. See below.

http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/staff_reports/sr733.html

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/aaronbandler/2015/07/15/report-federal-student-loans-increase-cost-of-tuition-but-doesnt-raise-enrollment-n2025794

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-09/why-is-college-tuition-rising-blame-student-loans-fed-says

An excerpt:

"The surging cost of U.S. college tuition has an unlikely culprit: the generosity of the government’s student-aid program, a report by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said.

Increases in federal loans, meant to help students cope with rising costs, are quickly eaten up by schools in higher prices, wrote David O. Lucca, Karen Shen and Taylor Nadauld. Private colleges raise their tuition 65 cents for every dollar increase in federal subsidized loans and 55 cents for Pell grants given to low-income students, according to the report. College tuition has outstripped U.S. inflation for decades."

@GTAustin is right. The overall level of funding for state universities has remained the same or increased over time. What has changed is that funding as a percent of the overall cost of tuition has declined because colleges have jacked up tuition well above the rate of inflation.

I was thinking today about how much I paid for college in the early 80’s. My room and board were about $1000 per semester. I was out of state and paid $40/cr, about $700 per semester with fees. My husband was in state and he paid $4/cr or about $100 per semester for tuition and fees. Now, room and board is about $5000 per semester about 500% increase. Tuition for instate is about $5000, or a 5000% increase. Out of state tuition is now $15,000 per semester for a 2143% increase, a bargain compared to instate.