What would be the hardest engineering major?

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If aibarr's story about him smoking the mechanical engineers is argument worthy, then that might be a point for civils.

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<p>Not really. Individuals intelligence within a certain major has no bearing on how difficult the major actually is. If Einstein studied psychology or history or something of that nature the subject matter wouldn't be any more difficult, it just means that a very smart person studied it. No one is denying that some CivEs aren't smart, but that doesn't change what they are studying in school.</p>

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If aibarr's story about him smoking the mechanical engineers is argument worthy, then that might be a point for civils.

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<p>aibarr is a girl</p>

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Because bridges and buildings don't move.

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<p>I guess you've never heard of earthquakes [and soil liquefaction], landslides, high winds...</p>

<p>The hard part isn't making the buildings move...it's keeping them from moving.</p>

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if he/she took the mechanical course with beginner/freshman mech engineers while he/she already had a lot of engineering experience (in his/her senior year). That would destroy the validity of the argument.

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<p>No one takes vibrations in their freshman year - it's usually a junior level course, so she wouldn't be too far off.</p>

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<p>What about aerospace?</p>

<p>i thought nuclear engineering was the hardest....</p>

<p>Isn't nuclear engineering one of the hardest? I mean nuclear is the one that deals with nanotechnology and stuff i thought. maybe im wrong idk lol.</p>

<p>Hunh... most of the points I was going to make (including the fact that I took Vibrations with a whole bunch of other mech seniors, and the fact that buildings and bridges <em>do</em> move, thankyouverymuch, and the fact that I'm a "she" and not a "he") have already been made by others. Thanks, y'all.</p>

<p>Anyhoo, <em>some</em> civ programs out there at non-top-tier engineering schools <em>can</em> be easy. ABET requirements currently allow the ease with which some people can get civil engineering bachelors degrees. One thing that's pretty important to mention, however, is that civil engineering curricula all over the nation are undergoing massive, massive renovation. With the advent and rise in popularity of finite element computation and the capability to provide more intensive structural analysis of building and bridge systems, there's just too much material out there to cover in four years. Things are getting edged out and glossed over, and ABET accreditation's partially allowing that, which is really pretty bad. The top tier programs are demanding more of their students, requiring that they put in those extra hours and go more in-depth with all the extra material. We learn as much mechanics as mechanical engineers, as much steel metallurgy as material scientists, half as much computational mathematics as computer science majors, half as much pure environmental engineering as the environmental engineers. Then there are the not-so-top-tier programs, where each course is just a crash course in transportation engineering, or hydrology, or steel/concrete design... They "cover" all the material, but the students don't learn it. It's a little bit scary, and ABET and the ASCE are starting to recognize that.</p>

<p>Building bridges, and buildings, and oil rigs... that's not easy. There's nothing trivial about that. As my steel design prof said, "Doctors only kill their clients one at a time." There's a massive amount of responsibility on structural engineers to get it right, and we truly are held liable if we screw up. Even now, just as an EIT, if I spot something wrong on a job site and don't say anything, if it causes problems in the future and people lose their lives because I didn't mention the problem when I saw it, if it's traced back to me in twenty years once I'm a senior consultant somewhere, I can and will lose my license and livelihood.</p>

<p>The "easier" civ careers out there have nothing to do with structural. There's traffic engineering. Signing and striping. Parking lot design. Roadway design. Land development. There's some fairly cookie-cutter work out there.</p>

<p>What I see happening in the future with civil engineering curricula is that the demands on civil engineers during their educational years are going to start to be higher. A major shakedown's coming. Look up ASCE's "Body of Knowledge" concept and paper. ASCE is starting to push for legislation to make the masters degree the first professional degree. This means that in order to get a PE license, a civil engineer would have to get a masters degree. No more bachelors-degreed PEs. I think you're going to see a lot more "civil engineering technology" type degrees... Dental hygeinists to the civil engineer's doctor-of-dentistry, if you will... in order to do the sort of thing that the "easy" civil engineering degrees currently provide, and that civil engineering on the whole, and the ability to get one's license, is going to get a heck of a lot harder.</p>

<p>Most of the folks out there are somewhere in between the two extremes. I'm at the high-end of the civ eng spectrum, having gone into structural engineering and received my masters degree from U of I. It's the folks at the lower end of the spectrum that are the ones bragging about how easy civ eng is, and they're the predecessors of the future civs who don't end up getting PE licenses.</p>

<p>What about engineering physics? I'm still debating between ECE (focus on computer hardware) or EP, and I probably won't decide until the end of my first semester.</p>

<p>EP seems to have a reputation as being notoriously hard, but so does ECE...I've also considered Operations Research, and may end up minoring in that if I go with ECE. I really would like to work in the computer hardware industry, so ECE would seem the natural way to go...but I also really enjoy physics and wouldn't mind maybe broader prospects upon graduation? Or even just in classes...</p>

<p>Any opinions?</p>

<p>I am a computer engineering major myself and being an engineernig major I believe, the degree of hardness solely depends on the individual. I have seen some of the civil engineering friends working ridiculously harder than me in school.
Having said that, if you were to consider the mass, I mean the entire class, I personally think Civil Engineering is easier than Chemical/ELectrical/Computer Engineering. Even my civil engineering friends accept that.</p>

<p>Chemical>Electrical>Computer>Nuclear>Material>Mechanical>Civil>Systems</p>

<p>If major has been omitted, compare yours with this.</p>

<p>I don't think anyone can safely say which engineering major is the "hardest", unless they have double/triple majored in multiple engineering disciplines and actually know what they are talking about.</p>

<p>And it's probably different for everyone. I personally think electromagnetics can sometimes be easier than statics/dynamics even though electromagnetics is far more abstract.</p>

<p>yeah engineering as a whole is hard and for that reason its one of the most respectable professions. no doubt about that. its really hard to compare and say which of the engineering fields are harder though yes its true that most thinkk electrical is the hardest. </p>

<p>im currently at a CCC and will be transfering majoring in either aerospace or structural engineering. at some point in HS i wanted to be an EE but found that to be too boring. a lot of the stuff u do, u cant really see and u gotta be really patient to study a lot of theory and mathematics. all engineering fields want u to do that but some bring more practice, and interaction than the others which make EE one of the least enjoyable careers. i met 2 EE berkeley students. one who graduated and is mastering in something totally different than the other. he said he hated it. the second dropped out at the end of her first year because she couldnt keep up with the courseload. they were both straight A students in HS but sometimes u dont find what u actually really like until u do it</p>

<p>Chemical~Electrical/Computer>Aero>Nuclear>Materials~Civil~Mechanical>>Systems>General/Industrial</p>

<p>I think I hit them all. I judged them based on the people I know in them. EE & ChemE are the hardest but for different reasons. Aero is next because of the amount of hours. Then nuclear because I hope they have a hard curriculum. And them MatSE/CivE/MechE are all about even based on which college it is at. MatSE is pretty hard at my school (it's always #1 or #2) but definitely not the hardest. I've started to rethink the mechE > civE (not just because of aibarr) because of the people I know in each and the classes I've heard about and at my school CivE is ranked over MechE (#1-4 vs #6-8). And then a bit of drop to general/industrial/systems. I think they're all the same. They are a bit far on the easy side but again for engineering that's not saying much. Although I think that they are the easiest based on the classes they take (I've been looking over all of the classes for my tech electives) and there is definitely a drop from every other engineering major to those (and not bashing I love GE as a major, the thought of the freedom to choose).</p>

<p>I have no idea why people think EE is the hardest. I'd think the sheer number of people that go through it would likely mean it wasn't that hard.</p>