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<p>Well this is misleading because some of them are not in the top 1-2 percent. I’m not saying standardized test scores are everything but now seeing it publicized then I think that is not true because of the trustee scholarship recipients admitted they didn’t have high test scores. No wonder everybody with high test scores think they get a scholarship with USC.</p>
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<p>Your son was admitted 4-5 years ago, things might be changing now. As for the trustee scholarship interview, who decides who gets to be invited for interview? I think it’s adcom. Then the faculty gets to do interview.</p>
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So you are saying these students are extrememely well qualified for the scholarships on merit. And you are saying that some students who get merit scholarships qualify for need-based financial aid. The conclusion you come up with is that the main reason those particular students were awarded the scholarships was because they qualify for financial aid.</p>
<p>A conlusion this is called “simple logic” and any high schooler knows it is faulty. Your “argument” is not supported and it makes no sense. USC has clearly said these are merit scholarships. Your suggestion - from your own post - that students who were also accepted at HYP needed “help” of qualifying for financial aid to get a scholarship at USC can’t even be addressed with a straight face.</p>
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So you and your daughter not only gossip about how much money the two of you think her friends have, she also interrogates them into admitting that their test scores aren’t “high.” Then the two of you decide that THOSE girls only got the scholarship because they aren’t relatively rich. No doubt you feel your daughter would have been properly awarded the Trustee if not for these poor (HYP-admitted) waifs - oh,I mean *dear friends *- who only got it because they are so poor. Everything you have said on this thread is nothing more than sour grapes.</p>
<p>"Your son was admitted 4-5 years ago, things might be changing now. "
Hello?? I was referring to the CURRENT Trustee information , which is what I copied from the current USC website. The CURRENT information makes no mention of the need for FA regarding merit Scholarship consideration .</p>
<p>“If it did, then students would need to fill out FAFSA applications as well, in order to be considered, and to my knowledge that is not required.”
What part of this did you not understand?</p>
<p>“As for the trustee scholarship interview, who decides who gets to be invited for interview? I think it’s adcom. Then the faculty gets to do interview.” Well duh! But in the end it is probably not the faculty that makes the final cut down, since only 100 T scholarships are awarded, and over 200 are invited to interview, and sometimes those interviewed for the Presidential scholarship get awarded the Trustees[ like my son, whose SAT score was 2350] .</p>
<p>You seem to making assumptions based on conjecture and 2nd hand knowledge.</p>
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<p>You seem to have a chip on your shoulder, judging from all of your posts on this thread. It’s a shame because I’ve always like your posts and was glad that USC admitted somebody like you. It’s obvious from your posts in this thread. You seem to carry this from other thread over to this thread and quote something out of the blue that I never even mentioned here but somebody did mention in another thread.
But to clarify that there was no gossip about SAT scores. I merely mentioned that I might have to pay to get D2 to prep for SAT 1 and she said not to worry about it because a lot of her friends already think she had really high scores and she didn’t think it was high coming from her high school environment. This is how I know that they did not have high SAT scores. It’s my observation that they don’t have a lot of money when she was planning to do something with her friends that involved money that I somehow got involved. BTW, she never ever mentioned whether they are rich or poor because she rarely cares and she rarely gossips(she does not even go on CC). There is no sour grapes from me. Since this is the internet, I don’t want people to think if they have high stats they would get the Trustee scholarship. I think there is some sophisticate enrolled management with those merit aids. I always glad that D1 got her scholarship from USC so there is no sour grapes from me. This is my last post to you. I won’t response anymore.</p>
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<p>What I’m saying despite what USC claims, a lot of colleges claim a lot of things and not just USC, the pool for merit aid seems to overlap the pool of financial aid. Given 2 equal candicates(if there are such thing), when it comes down to candidate one(super stats, billionaire’s son) versus candidate two(super stats, dirtpoor’s son), candidate two will win the trustree scholarship.</p>
<p>You seem to take the word “help” out of context. This is what I mean.
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Because they don’t have to file for financial aid every year and financial aid varies from year to year while merit aid doesn’t, you can always count on it provides that you keep up with a B average. Unless we get to examine USC records on these it’s hard to tell that it’s not doing that.</p>
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<p>You seem to have a chip on your shoulder, judging from all of your posts on this thread. It’s a shame because I’ve always like your posts and was glad that USC admitted somebody like you. It’s obvious from your posts in this thread. You seem to carry this from other thread over to this thread and quote something out of the blue that I never even mentioned here but somebody did mention in another thread.
But to clarify that there was no gossip about SAT scores. I merely mentioned that I might have to pay to get D2 to prep for SAT 1 and she said not to worry about it because a lot of her friends already think she had really high scores and she didn’t think it was high coming from her high school environment. This is how I know that they did not have high SAT scores. It’s my observation that they don’t have a lot of money when she was planning to do something with her friends that involved money that I somehow got involved. BTW, she never ever mentioned whether they are rich or poor because she rarely cares and she rarely gossips(she does not even go on CC). There is no sour grapes from me. Since this is the internet, I don’t want people to think if they have high stats they would get the Trustee scholarship. I think there is some sophisticate enrolled management with those merit aids. I always glad that D1 got her scholarship from USC so there is no sour grapes from me. This is my last post to you. I won’t response to you anymore.</p>
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Of course FAFSA is not required for Merit aid that is why it can be misleading. I’m sure USC admission Officers are trained and sophisticated enough to know who can pay full pay and who cannot. Especially if they are the ones that going to make decision on who to award the trustee scholarships. Take for example, someone attend a high school from one of the richest area versus someone attend a high school from a rural area. Without reading the whole application, I would guess the one from the richest high school would tend to be more well off than the one from the rural area. Now it maynot be applicable to 100% of the case but for 90% of the case. And there are many other factors as well but I won’t go into that.</p>
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Nope, not at all. I am just very familiar with the stats-and-status conscious people like you and your daughter. You dismiss any accomplishment of those you consider “relatively poor” (compared to yourself, of course) as having been handed to them intstead of earned. So much so that you refuse to see the factual information - SCHOLARSHIP ACCEPTANCES COME OUT BEFORE FINANCIAL AID APPLICATIONS ARE DUE - and hold on to your elitist views.</p>
<p>As I said before, I guarantee your daughter does not know that I have a scholarship or what my financial information is because I refuse to answer those intrusive questions. I have, however, been present when people like her are badgering others to know what their “stats” are and if they got a scholarship. Then - because they are ignorant of my situation - they try to gossip with me about how that person only got the scholarship because he/she was poor. I would not be surprised if that was your daughter.</p>
<p>And nope - it doesn’t give me a “chip on my shoulder,” it gives me the determination to counter your ridiculous, unsupported claims. I will continue to do so even if you no longer are glad I was admitted to USC, or that I was handed a scholarship just because I was poor - relative to you, of course.</p>
<p>I didn’t quote something out of the blue, I quoted something from your post:
The phrasing suggests that the person was being badgered into “admitting” something. Why would anyone else’s scores be any of your - or your daughter’s - business? </p>
<p>As for who does the scholarship interviews, It is two faculty members and a current Trustee/Presidential scholar. Then each school chooses their scholarship recipients - not the financial aid dept. Each year I am invited to be a student interviewer, and I believe this year I will participate. I can’t wait to see the two faculty members going through the Zip Codes to determine who will get the scholarship. I’ll be sure to update this thread afterwards.</p>
<p>“I’m sure USC admission Officers are trained and sophisticated enough to know who can pay full pay and who cannot. Especially if they are the ones that going to make decision on who to award the trustee scholarships. Take for example, someone attend a high school from one of the richest area versus someone attend a high school from a rural area.”</p>
<p>And I’M sure that ONCE AGAIN, you are making assumptions, based NOT ON THE FACTS, but on your beliefs. We live in one of the " richest areas" yet have lived there all our lives, and I inherited the house we live in. Can you guess what our income is? And what we could afford to pay? No? I didn’t think so. </p>
<p>And based on this post:
“As for who does the scholarship interviews, It is two faculty members and a current Trustee/Presidential scholar. Then each school chooses their scholarship recipients - not the financial aid dept.”
it becomes clear that the FA dept has NOTHING to do with deciding WHO is offered a Trustee scholarship. It also helps explain why some qualified students don’t make the cut, especially if there are more “qualified” students applying to a particular school- like Vertibi, than scholarships available to that particular school.</p>
<p>You can continue to argue based on what ever beliefs you have, but I have other threads I’m more interested in…</p>
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<p>Like I said in my post, it’s probably accurate for 90%. Marketing people do this all the time. Mini from the parent forums often mentioned this. I’m not the one that make it up. When I have some time, after my exercise, I will try to find the post.</p>
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I did not respond to post #51 because I promised myself I won’t. The post has full errors and assumptions so I won’t even go there. But note, that it’s the adcom that selects who gets to be interviewed for Trustee scholarship. Please reread my post, I never said the Financial aid department chooses the recipient.</p>
<p>I found something similar from the Carleton thread. See post #26</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/carleton-college/739892-will-high-financial-need-hurt-my-chances-carleton-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/carleton-college/739892-will-high-financial-need-hurt-my-chances-carleton-2.html</a></p>
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<p>What you believe to be true does not necessarily reflect real life. “Probably” and “90%” do not cut it. If you want to argue, do so with fact, supported from reliable sources.</p>
<p>I’m with you, Hawkwings - so far Columbia_Student’s “support” has been “poster mini,” “poster greta,” the zip-code-conspiracy-theory, and her made-up percentages.</p>
<p>On the other side, we have madbean’s link to the official USC website stating clearly that the scholarships in question are based on merit, and the fact that the invites for the scholarships come out before financial aid applications are due.</p>
<p>For anyone who actually would believe Columbia’s theory, they can easily thwart the zip-code-conspiracy by getting a P.O. box on the poor side of town!</p>
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Posts from cc posters who agree with your viewpoint don’t add any support to your argument - at least not for me. There are numerous posts on this thread that disagree with your viewpoint. If you feel we should be swayed by cc posts, why would we not rely on the posts right here from USC students concerning this very subject - rather than your non-USC poster, “mini?”</p>
<p>It also seems from your post #54 (concerning a different college) that mini is saying that particular college is looking for and prefers full-pay students, and yet you are using her post to try to support the opposite - that USC is looking for and prefers low-income students so much that they want to give their largest merit scholarships to them.</p>
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I believe CC is popular and helpful because we have the collective wisdom of everybody from everywhere. That is why I refer to other posters who are much more familiar with the college admissions process. Otherwise why should anyone listen to “alamemom” or “tocollege”, to me both screenames seem to come from the same family.
Post #54 is to prove that eventhough college states they are need-blind, colleges can predict who need financial aid and who doesn’t, which support my theory that USC does not need to look at the Financail aid application in order to grant merit aid, it knows by looking at the application. Other parents in the parents forum have stated that some college websites do actually misrepresenting things. So I’m sure I’m not the only that has this belief. No data and sources to prove otherwise, these are the sort of things that most colleges guarded very closely.</p>
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What we have are anonymous posters and we have no evidence of whether what they are saying is valid, or simply their opinion. That is why the best and most reliable posts include links to objective sources of information - university websites and news articles for example.
I believe strongly that no one should listen to alamemom without verifying what I have said! I encourage anyone getting advice on college confidential to check and double check anything they read on this site - my posts included. That is why in my posts about admissions I try to include links to the source of my information so the person asking the question can verify the information themselves.</p>
<p>I’ve been reading CC for years, so I know whose opinions I can trust and who I cannot. And it’s not just one person’s opinion. It’s the same opinion come from multiple posters. I couldn’t find mini post and found another person’s post with exactly the same thing mini has repeatedly posted in the past. And then again somethings like merit aids are not verifiable period. I put forth my opinion and let people who read this thread decide whether they should believe what I wrote or not. So let people decide, if they want to believe alamemom/tocollege or Columbia_Student. Anyway, this is my last post to you on this thread. I have no further information to add.</p>