<p>@tetrahedron Which engineering courses are you referring to? The EECS courses I took had autograders that told you what your final grade would be, so as long as you kept working, you could get the max score on any project. For the exams, as long as you knew the algorithms and concepts, they were cake.</p>
<p>In B-School classes, your final grade is usually based off one or two subjective exams or projects. If you don’t write what the professor wants, you get a B or B- in the class.</p>
<p>let’s say i have taken a lot of classes at Ross, and have gotten As in every single one of them including ACC 271, 272 while putting in even less effort than my IOE classes (which are supposed to be way easier than the typical engineering classes)… You have to be ■■■■■■■■ to get a B- in non-accounting classes considering most classes are curved to B+ with certain elections curved to A-</p>
<p>what are the prerequisite classes for Ross curved to?</p>
<p>^You mean Math 115, Econ 101, and English 125? </p>
<p>I don’t know about English 125, but for the other two, low (I would guess B- but I don’t really know).</p>
<p>Yeah those were the classes I was talking about. Are most classes at Michigan curved to something in the B range?</p>
<p>In LSA yes (except for some intro classes), or the classes are not curved, they’re on a straight scale where the average is more like a B/B+. </p>
<p>In Engineering from what I hear the curve is usually a C+ or B-. But even kids in engineering take lots of LSA classes, so I guess that helps push the GPA up a little.</p>
<p>Wow, good for you, bearcats</p>
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<p>There are no autograders in any course excluding introductory CS courses (EECS 280 and EECS 281, sometimes EECS 370) Certainly there are no autograders in any single EE or CE class. I’m not sure which classes you’ve taken, but what you mention does not happen in 95% of EE classes.</p>
<p>And that said, even in the classes you mentioned, grades are curved to B-. Your statement about exams is strange. It’s like saying that if you know everything and are perfectly competent, you will get 100%. True, but becoming that good is very hard.</p>
<p>Even w.r.t. the intro CS classes, I don’t think you can actually submit projects until you get 100%. Typically there’s a daily maximum number of submissions and you get limited feedback about them.</p>
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<p>I believe you, but since it seems the average Ross GPA is a great deal higher than the average engineering GPA, it must be a lot easier to write what the professor wants than to ace the engineering tests.</p>
<p>Yeah, I haven’t taken any engineering classes outside of EECS, so my viewpoint is a bit myopic. I guess I was referring more to the fact that in most forms of engineering there’s usually a single right answer versus business in which you can often have several acceptable solutions.</p>
<p>I took EECS 183, 203, 280, 281, plus a 400-level elective and they all had autograders (except 203 since it doesn’t have projects). Even with the submission limits and such, it was still very possible to force your way to a good grade on a project.</p>
<p>Contrast that with B-school classes, where you might work with a group for the entire semester for two deliverables (paper and presentation). The professor then has to assign grades based on these deliverables, which can get tricky when he or she has to conform to a specific curve.</p>
<p>And yes, the average Ross GPA is higher than the average engineering GPA, which is definitely due to grade inflation. I guess it gives us a bit of a leg up on the competition for jobs, which I’m personally not complaining about. :)</p>
<p>bearcats, you’re not taking b-school classes with b-school kids. Thus, you do not represent the correct viewpoint.</p>
<p>If you’re a b-school student and take classes with b-school kids, its a whole different story. It’s MUCH harder to compete with other b-school kids and be at the top of the curve. For example, in my marketing class the average grade was 89/100 for the midterm. In the non b-school section with IOE’s and lsa majors, it was a 79. I got an 84 and ended up with a B for the midterm, whereas if I were in the non b-school section, I would have had an A-.</p>
<p>B-school is quite tough. And a lot of work. It takes a decent amount of effort to get a B or B+ overall. But if you want to be near the top and get A’s, you need to work really really hard.</p>
<p>um i am taking the section with the b-school kids. The sessions that require overrides, not the business for non business major ones. There is nothing to work “really really hard” about, especially for accounting and finance classes. If you understand the concepts, which are extremely easy, there is nothing you can work hard for that could make you any better. Ironically some of the b-school majors cant even grasp simple accounting/finance concepts.</p>
<p>I mean I was chatting with an accounting+finance senior and we were just talking about interviews. I said well the technical part was pretty simple… the interviewer just asked me if the book value of a fixed asset is $500, assume 30% tax rate, and you sell the asset for $700, how would your 3 financial statements change, and the guy said… “how do you do that?”… really? There are bottomfeeders in the b-school, just like every other school, and just because of this reason, you are pretty much guaranteed at least a B without doing much studiyng</p>
<p>^I think people are going to be in delusions if they listen to every word this guy says. I’m pretty sure ross, one of the best business schools in the country is a lot harder and takes a lot more effort to do good in it. Unlike the picture your painting, which basically says that you’ll get A’s with even just half-as*ed studying.</p>
<p>I’ll say this again, always be wary with what you read on CC. these are all anonymous people who we don’t know, have no idea to verify their claims, and a lot of posts are opinions that are cleverly written as facts. Some people have an axe to grind and others are just exaggerating. </p>
<p>I’ve been browsing a lot of topics on CC and if you swallow everything that every person writes on here…you’d really be in lalaland by now.</p>
<p>bearcats, you are not the typical student. you’re obviously very gifted, too good to be here (why aren’t you at whartan again?), and you are giving prospective students false illusions about everything. honestly, it’s a little old. everytime i see a post by you i cringe a little bit.</p>
<p>While I also doubt that Ross is as easy as bearcats states, his comparison between IOE and Ross should be just as good as anyone else’s comparison who’s taken classes in both. It’s not as if bearcats has some special aptitude for the B-school classes, or some special deficiency in the engineering classes. And pretty much everyone has told be IOE is easier than all the other engineering fields.</p>
<p>Infact, thinking about it, I really don’t doubt that the B-School is as easy (or almost as easy) as bearcats states. He doesn’t seem to be claiming anything absurd… A B is rather below the average grade in Ross. Sounds pretty reasonable to say someone can be only moderately below average while not doing a lot of studying.</p>
<p>My understanding, from my D, is that the hardest part about Ross is coordinating all the group projects. There are not enough hours in the days for all the meetings she has (including for her very time-consuming EC and independent studies in LSA). She does study and is able to routinely gets As.</p>
<p>I’ll have to second umich2013. I don’t post a ton on here, but whenever I check out CC, I see bearcats just shrugging things off that are difficult to the average person. Congratulations, you have fairly above average intelligence. Stop acting like things are easy to do for the average person when they are not (academics, job search, etc.). You’re either arrogant or you don’t realize that you need to put things into perspective for the average person/michigan student. Since you claim to be as smart as you are, I will assume the former. Seriously bearcats, it’s about time you give it a rest.</p>
<p>As far as the topic is concerned: No, the material in Ross classes are not terribly difficult. Other majors like math or certain engineering concentrations are much more difficult from a pure material standpoint. However, as previously stated, the competition within Ross is what makes it hard to attain the top grades.</p>
<p>As far as actual grades go, a couple core courses in Ross are curved to a B- (2.7), the rest of the core is curved to a B+ (3.4, not 3.3 like in LSA… grade in inflation…), and electives are curved to an A- (3.7). A+ gets you a 4.4 (grade inflation…) even if it’s in some joke LSA class (but LSA kids don’t get that 4.4). All in all, the average GPA in Ross is about a 3.5/3.6. As far as the prereqs go, Econ 101 and Calc I are curved to a B-, from my understanding (however I must say I never took those classes at Michigan because I placed out of them). English 125 is probably a B, but don’t hold me to that. If you’re trying to figure out how hard it is to do well in a class, my advice is to think about how you compare to the average student (and thus the average grade assigned) in that field. Are you smarter? Do you work harder? If so, you can try to gauge how you will do in all these classes.</p>
<p>Oh, and for the heck of it: pretty sure that acc question depends on how much accumulated depreciation is attributable to that asset. Unless of course you are to assume that acc dep is 0.</p>
<p>^ the interviewer was more looking for how you break down the effect on IS, BS and CFS seperately.</p>
<p>Yea figures, that’s what they always want to hear. But a smart follow up would be to say that it’s dependent on accumulated depreciation, and ask if the interviewer wanted you to assume 0.</p>
<p>Dear bearcats,</p>
<p>Please tell me when you are graduating! I would love to have someone like you work under me.</p>
<p>Thanks,
Penelope</p>