When is one considered an elite student?

College Search & Selection
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<p>Yes, that Berkeley rejection is a little unusual, but there will always be a few unusual results out of 50000 applications. Otherwise, everything seems perfectly normal.</p>

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<p>Stats + national tennis ranking make Kid 2 elite.</p>

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<p>^ little unusual? hmnnn… here are another kids that Berkeley rejected:</p>

<p>Kid #1
SAT: 1580/1600; 2290/2400
SAT II: Math2 800, BioE 780
ACT: 33/36
GPA: 3.6uw/3.9w
Other Tests (AMC, AP, IB): Bio (5) WHist (5) Stat (4) USHist (4) Eng Lang (4)
Essays: Good
Hook (recruited athlete, legacy, Nobel Prize): Legacy (Big deal!)
ACCEPTED: Stanford, Princeton amongst others. Went to Princeton</p>

<p>Kid #2
SAT: 2220 Total (760 M, 730 W, 730 CR)
SAT II: 770 MII, 760 USH, 710 Bio
GPA: ~3.8 W/ 4.2 UW
Rank:6/700
Other Tests (AMC, AP, IB): 5 AP Euro, 5 AP US, 5 AP Bio, 5 AP CalcAB, 4 AP CalcBC, 4 AP Lang
ACCEPTED: Stanford, Caltech, Penn, Columbia, Cornell</p>

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It is unusual. We can all take turns pulling anecdotal evidence of elite students being rejected from tier two universities from out of a hat but that doesn’t take away from the fact that these incidences are highly isolated. Again, there is no question that Stanford is indisputably more difficult to get into than Berkeley.</p>

<p>Furthermore, your initial 2nd kid had a 2300 SAT! Being rejected from Berkeley was peculiar. That the 1st kid was admitted to Berkeley and rejected from Stanford literally says nothing about him.</p>

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<p>Meh? First was OOS, second has a mediocre GPA, third isn’t overwhelming. Realize that Berkeley does acceptances based on high school - if you go to a good high school, it’s MUCH harder to get in. From Mission San Jose, average matriculating SAT is 1480(/1600) with a 25-35% acceptance rate, from inner-city schools, it’s 1000, still with a 25-35% acceptance rate.</p>

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<p>^ So, for you those kids aren’t elite students?</p>

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<p>One is considered an elite student when one can get into an elite school:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1010733-when-college-university-considered-elite.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1010733-when-college-university-considered-elite.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>RML, I can give you a definition of what an “elite” student is:</p>

<p>The person is crossed-admitted by two or more of HYPSM schools. There are about 1500 students like that each year. They are not measured by SAT or class rank etc, or whether they are accepted by Berkeley or not. Accepted by one of the HYPSM could be for the “wrong” reasons, as people frequently use anecdote examples to equate two different schools like Stanford and Berkeley. You rarely see those cross-admits are “bad” as they have to be accepted for the “wrong” reasons twice.</p>

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<p>^ Now what happened to those accepted to the rest of the Ivies?</p>

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Both students ********ted their Berkeley apps, thinking it an easy safety. Your “unusual cases” explained, and your not so subtle Berkeley propaganda still completely useless.</p>

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<p>One is an elite student when one gets into an elite school. Maybe you could start a thread on defining elite schools. No one on here seems to know, and we’re constantly confusing Harvard with Southwest East Bumble State U.</p>

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<p>Well, of course not, because admission to Stanford is not solely predicated upon achieving a certain level of stats. I hope this isn’t news.</p>

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<p>Why would one ever do so? If Berkeley kid is happy at Berkeley and Stanford kid is happy at Stanford, what is the point of trying to elevate one over the other or picking an “elite winner”? RML, your continued pursuit of ranking people is very, very odd.</p>

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Aren’t you a bRuin? ;)</p>

<p>RML, these threads are silly.</p>

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<p>It really depends on the program. You must be a stupid high school student to not understand that. For example, it would be quite a bit more difficult to gain acceptance into UCB’s MCB program than to get into Stanford applying to study History.</p>

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<p>Pizza_girl, so a student with 1900/2400 SATs and a 3.6 HS GPA got into, say Chicago, that student is an elite student? </p>

<p>I’m just curious.</p>

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<p>If the student got into UChicago - one of the top schools in the country – why, then, yes, the student is an elite student. You’re not seriously going to parse the students at top schools even further into elite or non-elite, are you? To what end?</p>

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<p>I wouldn’t judge it based on college admissions outcomes, since there are many non-academic factors. Athletes with 950s get into Duke, and there are other non-academic hooks like donations and diversity. It’s better to look at the raw data of actual prior performance as a student. (And obviously admissions outcomes are not sufficient to rule someone out as an elite student, since they simply may not have applied or jumped through the various EC hoops)</p>

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<p>Is he really?</p>

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I realize this question is directed at PizzaGirl; but, no, a student with 1900 isn’t an elite student. I am a firm believer of the students making the school and not the other way around. If all Chicago accepted were students with 1900 SATs it would not be an elite university.</p>

<p>(Actually, I don’t find Chicago that elite. As I’ve voiced in your past thread, “elite” means the best of the best.)</p>