<p>The CDC’s evidence is clear that after six years of following patients (all they have at this point), the immunity does not seem to be waning. So what are you going to need to decide to vaccinate – 50 years? And… as stated above, it will be too late for your kids. And think about it – with them tracking people who got it six years before you kids, they likely will figure out if boosters are needed BEFORE your kids need the booster – and then they could get it.</p>
<p>And just because every HPV infection does not cause cancer, which seems to be your other argument, that does not negate the known fact that SOME HPV infections do cause cancer and the vaccine is an effective way to avoid getting that type of HPV infection. So hurrah for those who “self clear” – I assume you are assuming/hoping that your children will be among those who do if they get the infection. If everyone could “self clear” these HPV infections, then obviously the vaccine would not be needed at all and we wouldn’t have any cases of cervical cancer caused by HPV.</p>
<p>Again… you are passing up a vaccine that could save your children’s lives someday – but hey, come up with your own half baked theory and skip it.</p>
<p>Anal cancer has been linked to HPV. Farrah Fawcett’s ordeal is not one I would wish on anyone. I’ll need to look up to find out if the HPV vaccine protects against the strain which causes anal cancer, as HPV is not a subject I have studied. Good idea for my next continuing ed. class. ;)</p>
<p>And this exactly is the attitude which disallows any reasonable questioning and discussing Again, since there seems to be a communications issue…let me reiterate…cervical cancer is slow growing, annual exams catch changes very very early , a decision can be made to monitor or to act. And, if you are willing to go past the first 3 google searches you will find rather large volumes of information relating to severe reactions to this vaccine.</p>
<p>Rather than take your hostile and snarky input which obviously includes the ‘closed captioning for the intellectually impaired’ scrolling in bright yellow text underneath…I will continue to listen to my health care professionals with whom I’ve had an extensive and long term relationships and I will continue to be discuss these issues with my adult children because they do accept input and value discussions.</p>
<p>But yes, by all means shut down discourse with the "you want to risk your kids you dumb dumb person’ comment. It is after all an anonymous forum.</p>
<p>There are over 100 different strains of HPV with 4 accounting for over 90% of the serious conditions that require treatment, surgery or leads to death. The vaccine, if it gained widespread usage, would eliminate millions, if not billions, in medical expenditures. I made sure everyone in my family was vaccinated including my daughters before 12 years of age. If they need boosters, so be it. I gave them a gift of reduced risk of cervical cancer, which I still see occurring. A few gynecologists develop laryngeal cancer which was believed to occur after inhaling cauterized condylomas (secondary to HPV). After this news, several gynecologists in town chose to be vaccinated.</p>
<p>I hear the argument that many parents who do intend to vaccinate their kids eventually for HPV want to delay the vaccine in their 12 year olds because they are not yet sexually active. I get that. The problem is that most parents don’t find out their kids are sexually active until after the fact. As noted above, the vaccine doesn’t have much benefit if it is given after the patient has been infected. I just decided not to take the chance that I would time the vaccine perfectly and erred on the side of earlier rather than later.</p>
<p>And if you have any peer-reviewed science to present in opposition to the vaccine, I am all ears. But I bet your OB-GYN had their kids vaccinated if they have kids. You just have sorta, kinda “theories”. I notice you have not said that your OB-GYN recommended against the vaccine for your children. You seem to have extrapolated your own adult HPV experience into what you think is a medically sound theory, but in fact it doesn’t have any basis in scientific reality.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there seems to be a rise in tonsilar/laryngeal cancers which are related to HPV infection. These kinds of cancers scared the hell out of me in nursing school when I saw the brutal surgeries which ensued. They are not cured as easily as cervical cancer. This, in addition to the risk of anal cancers caused by HPV, would certainly give me pause independent of the cervical cancer issue.</p>
<p>HPV vaccine also prevents most genital warts. My sis had those and it wasn’t fun getting rid of them. Any of you who have had experience getting rid of even ordinary warts know how intractable the virus can be. Since I had advanced dysplasia and sis had warts, my conclusion was that genetically our fam seemed to lack the useful virus-clearing genes and so getting my kids the vaccine was a no-brainer. I don’t have strong opinion about what others should do, but to those who are thinking of getting kids vaccinated know that this vaccine is a tough one.My kids were both sore and sluggish for days after each dose, dreaded going in for it, though never had reaction to any other. I suggest not scheduling it when important sporting events, tests, etc. are in the several days following.</p>
<p>^^^We were lucky. Neither girl had any side effects from any of the vaccines, though if memory serves, they may have said the actual injection hurt more than most.</p>
<p>My son has had the HPV vaccine as well. We discussed the fact that he could be protecting his eventual partner(s) from cervical cancer.</p>
<p>According to the CDC, before the advent of the pap smear cervical cancer used to be the leading cause of cancer deaths for women in the US. A wait and see attitude would seem to be dangerous.</p>
<p>Long and in depth but the end result…as much as you’d like to see the HPV vaccine issue as clearly black and white (stupid parent verses enlightend)…some rather respected institutions and researchers (with no financial skin in the game) do differ.</p>
<p>At the risk of arming anti-vaccine nuts, there is an error in this sentence. Rubella is most dangerous in the first 12 weeks, and late in a pregnancy generally doesn’t produce profound effects (unless they were related to the premature birth). Or maybe the journalist just thought it was more dramatic to state that it was late in pregnancy… Which kind of makes sense, in the 1940s fewer women (especially movie stars) went to large public events sporting a huge baby bump. Just wasn’t done. Teachers had to quit then their “condition” became obvious in most districts.</p>
<p>No, they cannot control those variables, but it’s not really about eliminating risk so much as decreasing it. Every little bit helps. </p>
<p>My facility has begun requiring annual flu shots in order to stay employed there. A nursing forum I visit has numerous threads about this, many of them quite contentious. Many nurses object to a flu shot requirement for no other reason than they don’t like being told what to do. Lots of talk about being “forced” to get a flu shot, which is absurd. No one is ever “forced.” It can simply be a condition of employment at a given facility.</p>
<p>dragonmom, I didn’t even see that. Good catch! No, I believe another source I read stated that Ms. Tierney was very early in her pregnancy, certainly not late.</p>
<p>If you read the full article, dietz, it says that the reason that “clinical trials show no evidence that HPV vaccination can protect against cervical cancer” is because cervical cancer takes 20-40 years to develop. It also does not address any of the other types of cancer that HPV causes – here is a link on oral cancers that are caused by HPV. No pap smear going on there to catch them early…</p>
<p>Nb4, I notice rubella dates because I was diagnosed with it as a grad student (despite having it as a kid). Two of my friends were in early stages of pregnancy. I was horrifiicly worried until their children were born. Of course in those days the “diagnosis” consisted of the Student Health dr looking at my symptoms and deciding that it was rubella. No blood work or other test.</p>
<p>As with the cervical cancer case, routine first world screenings will catch these issues. But please be honest, the gist of the entire, well researched article, is that this vaccine still has highly questionable risk/benefit ratios for the developed world.</p>
<p>I’m not savvy enough to copy and paste, but this is regarding hospitals and the flu vaccine.</p>
<p>At my company we’re in 50 hospitals a day. Every single one requires every single person in my company to prove they have had a flu shot and a tb test. Every hospital I know requires credentialing to be able to get into their security system.</p>
<p>Where they completely fall apart imo is the complete and total lack of security for people visiting patients. Hospitals in my estimation are the germiest places on the planet, and the sooner you or a loved when can get discharged safely, the better.</p>