When people don't vaccinate their kids

http://vaccine-safety-training.org/live-attenuated-vaccines.html
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/different-types-vaccines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuated_vaccine

Live attenuated vaccines include:

  • measles, mumps, rubella
  • chicken pox, shingles
  • polio (oral only; injected version is not live)
  • influenza (nasal spray only; injected version is not live)
  • rabies
  • yellow fever

Did anyone see the most recent issue of the children’s magazine “Click”? (Same publishers as “Cricket”) - it was all about vaccines and doctors and in particular, the measles vaccine. I read it today with my youngest and thought to myself that it was remarkably transparent brainwashing - of a POV I support - but still, remarkably transparent. Also, one photograph irritated me, because it was staged and had a huge pocket of air in the syringe that was shown as about to be injected in the actor. (I know it’s not fatal to have a bubble, though people like to claim this as a way to murder someone undetected, but this was a huge air pocket and obviously a staging error.)

Rotavirus vaccine also.

@jaylynn - is the Rubella in the MMR something that can cause disease in a mionr form? Because my youngest did have what the doctor thought “looked like he got Rubella from the vaccine” though he got better within a day or two, after getting his vaccine. This is now academic, since he just turned 8yo, but were we a menace retrospectively to pregnant women? Or, was it symptom-causing but not contagious?

He probably had a vaccine after effect rather than true rubella. Things like fever, transient fussiness, etc after a vaccine are felt to be signs of your body reacting to the vaccine (which sets off an immune response culminating in biochemical memory for warding off disease) which may occur in the 24 hr or so after a vaccine. But doubtful it was rubella, bc that would be nigh impossible bc the virus is attenuated. Don’t fret ( :slight_smile: )

Rubella, otherwise known as German measles, is generally considered a mild disease in most circumstances. However, it is dangerous to embryos and fetuses if a pregnant woman gets it.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/mmr.html says that pregnant women should wait until after birth before getting the MMR vaccine and that women should avoid getting pregnant for four weeks after getting the MMR vaccine.

^ which is why every female of child-bearing age should be immunized during childhood. Then we don’t have to worry about those issues. Like I said wayyyyy upthread, measles is awful, mumps is no fun but the resurgence of rubella and congenital rubella syndrome would be catastrophic.

So if the flu vaccine is a killed vaccine, there wouldn’t be anyway you could actually get the flu from the shot then as some articles are suggesting, as with the health worker from Wisconsin.

It’s interesting that the vaccine for yellow fever has been used since the 1950’s and those who have been immunized have an over 90% response rate.

I just had a shingles vaccine, which i got just cause our insurance covers it.
Are there any other diseases that lay dormant in the body which may resurface later?

@jaylynn - thank you! He also had a rash that “looked like rubella” to the doctor (I had no idea) in addition to the fever/fussiness. I’m glad we didn’t put anyone else at risk. Though I tend to fret, yes, my screen-name is named after Marge Simpson’s favorite magazine. I couldn’t believe it was still available at CC when I joined.

@emeraldkity4‌, yes. I do think some people react to the immune response triggered by the flu shot; that’s what they’re feeling. It is impossible to get the disease from a killed vaccine. It’s also impossible to get rid of this untruth, lol. I tell parents wrt the fussiness, fever or more likely, the lovely sleepy-baby day that can happen after the first set of shots: that’s his immune system revving up and getting ready to become an antibody factory!

@fretfulmother‌ :smiley:

Not exactly the same, but some infections may not have obvious symptoms, but can remain in the body slowly causing damage. Examples include tuberculosis, hepatitis B, hepatitis C, human papillomavirus.

Herples Simplex goes dormant and resurfaces at intervals.

A friend got leukemia and during his treatment, he suffered terribly from cold sores. He said before chemo, he hadn’t had a cold sore in 20 years.

I’ve had both Hep B & HPV, both seem to have resolved although I think the HPV is technically dormant, but I have never had an unusual Pap test.
I don’t think I have been tested for Hep C, I only knew I had HepB, because the blood bank screened me out, that was some time ago.
( I have had the HepB blood panel to confirm I do not have the virus)
So glad I never had Herpes simplex. A friend from my hometown has it, and she still has flares.

Rubella is something the young adult children of non-vax parents seem to be blind to. Your grandchildren can be born deaf because you didn’t want to “risk” vaccinating your children with the safety you grew up with.

However, even if they weren’t vaccinated according to schedule, many young adults are participating in programs, some which are abroad that require complete vaccination records, so they are getting caught up when they are 18-19yrs old.

Just watching Law & Order: SVU, from 4/2009, about measles and anti-vac parents. Eery

Yep - D needed her full signed and stamped vaccination record for her study abroad and had to carry a card with her stamped for her yellow fever vaccine and a few others.

According to http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/much-of-the-world-is-better-at-giving-their-kids-measles-vaccines-than-the-u-s-is/ , there are many countries poorer than the US which have higher measles vaccination rates.

California is wising up. The UCs will require vaccinations, including MMR, starting in 2017. http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-uc-vaccines-20150207-story.html Next: Disneyland?

Ucbalum, not surprising. The US is at the bottom of the developed world in terms of most health indicators, despite the fact that we spend far more on health care than anyone else does. But hey, freedom and all that.