When people don't vaccinate their kids

^I never get sick anymore, now that our kids are out of the house! It must be tough to be a teacher or a librarian. :frowning:

Just got off a flight. The family in the row in front of us had a child who was crying and coughing, clearly sick. When we were deplaning I saw that she had a dozen or so small spots on her face and at least one more on her hand. Oh joy.

Arizona legislative committee moves forward on expanding vaccine exemptions.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2019/02/22/disregarding-warnings-arizona-lawmakers-move-forward-vaccine-exemptions/2942680002/

And here is WA:

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1638&Initiative=false&Year=2019

So Washington and Arizona move in opposite directions


@Sue — did you report your observation to the flight crew?

Among us teachers there seem to be two different groups - those who catch everything going around and those who catch nothing. Fortunately, I’m in the latter. Since I work part time (hate to call it subbing since I actually teach rather than babysit, but it is subbing overall) I sometimes come in right behind a sick teacher if it’s a last minute job rather than preplanned. In either situation there are always sick kids in the class. I can’t recall the last time I came down with a cold and I’ve never had the flu even when kids/teachers right in “my” classroom have had it “bad” the day I’m there or the day before - “sent home that day sick” bad. My immune system seems to be at the top of its game.

I think I should go knock on wood somewhere


I wonder if primary care doctors and nurses fall into the same two categories. They’re the ones always seeing sick folks. Do their immune systems get tough too?

@calmom, to the airline.

As a school nurse in a state that accepts medical and religious exemptions, I am frustrated by the number of parents who claim “religious” when they really are declining due to philosophical or personal belief. I’ve personally said to several of them, “You do realize you’re signing under penalty of perjury?” and they just sign away. I recently read that the federal government may step in to enforce immunization requirements. One can only hope.

Good grief a new question to ask if you have small children and are around others with small children. Any guns in the house? Have your kids been vaccinated?

Florida is a very strict state and I had to take my kids and their vaccination records to the county health department to have their OOS vaccination records put on the special Florida vaccination card (blue? greeen? it couldn’t be on the yellow cards they had). This had to be done before they could set foot in the school or in any rec center or sporting activity.

The only exception to this rule? Students under federal jurisdiction like those in ICE holding camps. They got to go to school immediately. I wouldn’t count on the federal government improving things.

There needs to be a vaccination requirement for anyone entering the US. There are countries where measles cases are numerous such as the Phillipines. I think the California Disneyland measles cases started from someone with measles coming from overseas.

The anti vaxxers would not be able to re -enter this country after a foreign visit without proof of vaccination.

I dont think this is a burdensome travel requirement.

Given the amount - and cost - of vaccinations my intrepid, international traveling daughter has had in her lifetime in the course of preparing for visiting other countries
 I think that’s quite reasonable.

(Though could be hard to prove, given that there really is no centralized database for these records. I suppose it could be incorporated into the passport application process, given that most of us don’t routinely carry our vax records around with us, and we older folks who had the diseases as kids never got vaccinated in the first place, so we’d need to all get titers
 Plus the current system of “proof” is pretty easy to fake – you get those little yellow cards that you are supposed to bring in with you, and are marked with initials — but I don’t see what would prevent a person from simply filling in false info.)

There was one for adopting children from overseas. Parents petitioned to have it removed (or at least some of the required vaccines including polio) as children were receiving multiple vaccinations over 2-3 days and may have had to repeat them once they were in the US as often the vaccines given weren’t strong enough. The picture of me with the US consulate officer, hand raised in a vow, is not me adopting her or swearing her allegiance to the USA, but my promising to vaccinate her.

My daughter came with an entire booklet recording her vaccinations. Her pediatrician said ‘that’s nice’ and readministered them all.

^^^^ Okay, this is NOT an intentionally disrespectful or offensive comment
 I adopted a dog from Taiwan. Had all the vaccinations. Vet said - not the same as they give in CA (okay to get into US but not what CA recommends). Poor doggie got an overload of vaccines and other stuff (mange, heart worm, flea and tic meds).

It has taken me 2 years to get this poor animal back into shape. He developed a mess of skin and digestive problems. In and out of a specialists offices. Expensive specialty food, shampoos and recommended allergy tests.

No, don’t know for sure if it was the large number of things that his immune system was exposed to in a short amount of time. All I know is he arrive well and was a mess 6 weeks later. (He’d been at the rescue center for well over 4 months before being sent to US). Now we delay most ‘routine’ revaccinations by about 1.5 X the recommended time frame. They get spaced out, ONE AT A TIME and I can predict which ones will still lead to a skin breakout. Other wise he is fine - eating normal food.

Since we test on animals
thought I’d share.

Well, you need to have a group of adoptive parents (of dogs) petition to get the rule changed so they don’t require the shots before they leave their birth countries. I doubt you’ll be successful but that’s what it took to get the requirement changed for children.

And there were anti-vaxers who celebrated with glee that they would now not have their children vaccinated.

Kid 2 had to have a ton of immunizations when she joined the Peace Corps. No exceptions are made at all. When we went to visit her, we also had to have them. We had to have proof of MMR and DPT shots. DH had immunization records. I had my mumps shot
but I had both real measles, and rubella
and a very mild case of chicken pox. So
titers done for those. We also had to have polio boosters and those were done at the international immunization clinic because they are not all that readily available.

Kid 1 works in a school and had to show proof of MMR immunization to work there. Good!

I was born before 1957. I had real measles when I was in Kindergarten
maybe 1956 or 1957? I believe there was a large measles outbreak at that time
so maybe that’s why that year is the one used. I actually remember being kept in the living room, all shades drawn because of risk of eye issues. It was awful
and I can’t imagine subjecting my kids to that kind of illness
and dangers.

Now
chicken pox
whole other issue. I had
three chicken pox total
a very mild case. My DD never got them despite my best efforts to expose her to them repeatedly. She got the shot.

I never had a small pox vaccination that “took”
no visible scar anywhere from this. My mother had medical notes about that. I apparently had several small pox vaccinations
with the same NO outcome. Thank goodness that one doesn’t exist anymore!

Two students at Indiana University have mumps.
https://www.theindychannel.com/lifestyle/health/two-cases-of-mumps-confirmed-at-indiana-university-bloomington

French boy brings measles to Costa Rica

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/02/french-boy-measles-costa-rica-vaccine.html

Meanwhile in Toronto anti-vaxxers have set up billboards:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/controversial-anti-vaccine-billboards-made-headlines-in-toronto-so-who-regulates-them-1.5035669
“This week, a series of anti-vaccine billboard advertisements made headlines in Toronto, prompting concerns about their messaging and the impact on public health before being taken down.”