When people don't vaccinate their kids

Arizona governor says that he will veto anti-vaccination bills moving through the legislature:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2019/02/28/arizona-vaccine-laws-doug-ducey-veto-bills-could-erode-coverage-measles-public-health/3010450002/

In response, an Arizona state representative says that mandatory vaccination is “Communist”:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2019/02/28/state-rep-kelly-townsend-says-mandatory-vaccinations-communist/3018342002/

Argh, I just can’t think about this subject or my blood pressure shoots through the roof…

Well on the brighter side, Amazon is being challenged to stop selling anti-vaxx books https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/1/18246461/amazon-anti-vaccination-vaxx-books-films-vaccines-media-schiff-letter

Case of the measles at Midway in Chicago this week. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/health-officials-warn-possible-measles-exposure-chicago-midway-airport-n978116.

I’m so sick of this anti-vaxx pseudoscience and religious exemption garbage.

Someone told a physician friend that he was going to burn in hell for promoting vaccinations because he was taking away “free will”. I feel very, very sorry for the children of these parents who don’t get a voice in what is potentially fatal decision making.

We have the occasional youngster who has died in our state due to parents not getting medical care because they don’t believe in it. At least a couple have been brought up on charges, but they end up winning. It’s sad - esp when the issue was pneumonia or diabetes - something very curable or manageable.

I’ve often wondered why people can go to jail if they shake a baby or similar, but not when they refuse to get medical care for it when needed for a “natural” cause. Both should go to jail IMO. God gave us doctors, medicines, and knowledge. Even in the Bible, Luke was a physician (or so I was taught). What’s so Biblically wrong with doctors? I can understand not wanting to prolong life artificially (feeding tubes, ventilators, even chemo if not desired and not a cure), but not getting well known cures (or vaxs)? It boggles my mind. We sure don’t do a great job of protecting kids from the birth lottery.

An outbreak has been reported in Brooklyn. I would be a nervous wreck if I had an infant.

https://bklyner.com/brooklyn-measles-outbreak-grows-to-121-cases/#

I have 3 niblings under 1 year. 2 of them JUST got their 2 month shots.

I think I’m way more nervous than their parents are but luckily we all live in high-vaxx counties. (Not that that means much but it’s a bit of protection.)

@partyof5, Brooklyn is a big place! These outbreaks have taken place in Hassidic (cult-like super-Jewish communities where rabbis make rules based on life in 19th century Eastern Europe, and I can say that because I am Jewish!) neighborhoods where everyone lives within walking distance of their synagogue, and spread in their schools. These are very insular neighborhoods where people have very large families, which makes it so much worse due to the risk to young infants. The NYC Dept. of Health is trying to crack down.

@oldmom4896 I’m quite familiar with Brooklyn, and it’s enclaves of Jewish communities. It doesn’t really change my statement, which wasn’t necessarily specific to this outbreak. I would be terrified taking my infant out these, since the MMR vaccine doesn’t occur until a year after birth, unless I’m mistaken.

Brooklyn is a big place, but everybody rides the subway…

@Hanna, I agree, but I wouldn’t recommend taking a baby less than 6 months old on the subway in any event.

babies have some immunity through their mothers before getting the vaccination. Many many children go to daycare before 12 months, and there is no better germ factory than daycare.

^Yeah, I still feel guilty for putting our second kid in daycare so young. He got RSV at nine weeks and was hospitalized for five days. :frowning:

I didn’t put my younger one in daycare and he got RSV at eight weeks anyway. There’s no fool proof way to protect them.

I am absolutely terrified for my unborn grandson. How on earth is he to be protected from these anti-vax whack jobs?

On a brighter note, I was told that the waiting list for the Shingrix vaccine is 300 people long at my local pharmacy. When I told my son this, he was absolutely delighted that so many people were signing up to receive a vaccination.

I told him that the reason so many middle-aged people want the shingles vaccine is because they have seen the pain and suffering shingles can cause. The people who don’t vaccinate their kids are unlikely to have seen a devastating measles epidemic. I think we might need a plague or something to convince these people.

Most of the population survived without vaccinations. Now some anti-vaxxers don’t get the vaccines, but most people/kids do.

My preemie got hers on time. She was chosen for the RSV trial program and got those infusions starting at 10 months and they thought she had RSV at the first session, but no it was ‘only’ bronchitis from day care. After that first year, my daughter was extremely healthy and rarely missed school. My daughter who was adopted at aged 2.5 and probably didn’t have the early vaccinations on time or probably with ‘good’ strength didn’t get sick often, but when she did, she was REALLY sick. For her, every germ was a ‘new’ germ to her system and she had no tolerance. I doubt her mother passed along any protections and I know she wasn’t breastfed.

I know kids who were fully vaccinated and still got chickenpox. I know a boy who was fully vaccinated and got whooping cough at about age 12. We can just do the best we can.

@Wellspring, thanks for sharing that. It makes me feel better!

“Teen who got vaccinated against parents’ wishes set to testify before Congress”
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/03/teen-who-got-vaccinated-against-his-parents-wishes-set-to-testify-before-congress.html

How else do you get around in NYC?

@Marian Uber