When people don't vaccinate their kids

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<p>^ right, that’s what my insurance web site basically said.</p>

<p>What is the downside?</p>

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<p>I think there isn’t a downside. When I had my last one my arm was sore for a few days, almost like a tetanus shot but not as severe. My fiance had no side effects at all, like me all the other times. It’s a tiny needle, you hardly feel it if you feel it-- I usually don’t. I guess one downside is you may still get the flu, but chances are it will be much more mild if you do. I still got it one year but I was only sick for a couple of days instead of a week or more. And I was not as sick as fiance has been… not sure if it was the shot, or if this strain is just particularly bad. He normally has a very strong immune system, and I a weak one, but I don’t think I have ever been as sick as he has been.</p>

<p>He has been well enough to sit up at the computer all day so he seems much improved as long as he doesn’t take another dive tonight. I don’t even feel well enough to sit up at the computer all day! I just went to sit and read a few minutes and fell asleep and now I can’t seem to make myself wake up. If he is doing as well as he seems to me, I think the shot must have helped some even if it was too late… he has only been sick since Thursday night. Either that or tamiflu works wonders. Hopefully he is out of the woods. </p>

<p>I guess my sister may have been sicker than I thought, because my family was supposed to start driving back up from Florida this morning and my mom says she was too sick to travel and they stayed. Hopefully nobody else catches it from her or I don’t know how they can expect to get home any time soon.</p>

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<p>I remember having what I am sure was the fluabout 10 years ago. I lay on top of my bed for three days, dressed, before I could summon up the energy to put on a nightgown and get into bed.</p>

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<p>[10</a> infants dead in California whooping cough outbreak - CNN.com](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/10/20/california.whooping.cough/index.html]10”>10 infants dead in California whooping cough outbreak - CNN.com) <a href=“CNN”>quote</a> – Whooping cough, also known as pertussis, has claimed the 10th victim in California, in what health officials are calling the worst outbreak in 60 years.
Since the beginning of the year, 5,978 confirmed, probable and suspected cases of the disease have been reported in California.
All of the deaths occurred in infants under the age of 3 months, says Michael Sicilia, a spokesman for the California Department of Public Health. Nine were younger than 8 weeks old, which means they were too young to have been vaccinated against this highly contagious bacterial disease.
“This is a preventable disease,” says Sicilia, because there is a vaccine for whooping cough to protect those coming in contact with infants, and thereby protect the infants.
However, some parents are choosing to not vaccinate their children. In other cases, previously vaccinated children and adults may have lost their immunity because the vaccine has worn off.

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There is simply no excuse for this. Vaccinate your kids.</p>

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<p>Jym, I thought this thread covered the fact that the whooping cough vaccine is not effective in a substantial proportion of the population. And that it only lasts a decade or so. So even if kids are vaccinated the older brothers and sisters and cousins and friends could be well but transmit the disease to newborns.</p>

<p>As long as we’re chatting about this lovely subject again, here’s another take on it … <a href=“- YouTube”>- YouTube;

<p>“There are no safety studies showing that the combined doses are safe to take at such a young age.”</p>

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<p>If the pertussis vaccine didn’t work in a substantial portion of the population, it wouldn’t be in use. So I do not agree that it is a “fact” that they don’t work. Thats silly.</p>

<p>Lets use some real information, not some scarem-sharem documentary, the clips of which look like they are from a decade or more ago (wow, look at those hairdos!): [CDC</a> - Pertussis: Prevention](<a href=“http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/prevention.html]CDC”>http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/prevention.html)
[CDC</a> - Pertussis: Vaccination](<a href=“http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/vaccines.html]CDC”>Vaccines Help Protect against Whooping Cough | CDC)</p>

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<p>Speaking of film clips, there is a Penn & Teller 1 minute segment addressing vaccinations. (warning, he uses some bad language) <a href=“https://showyou.com/v/y-lhk7-5eBCrs/penn-teller-kill-the-antivaccination-argument-in-just-over?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=timeline[/url]”>https://showyou.com/v/y-lhk7-5eBCrs/penn-teller-kill-the-antivaccination-argument-in-just-over?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=timeline&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Yep ridiculing women b/c they are not stylin’ is a great and classic way to discredit their arguments. Good stuff.</p>

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<p>You seem to completely misunderstand, or are purposely trying to inflame. I was merely pointing out that those clips, and the hairstyles of the reporters, are dated. (and you then chose to ridicule my observation? Good stuff, as you say). Best to stick with current info. Like the CDC reports. Here’s some additional info. [Anti-Vaccine</a> Body Count](<a href=“http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html]Anti-Vaccine”>http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html)</p>

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<p>Meh, I saw Mr. Banks the other night. The use of ridicule to show a strong woman as a shrew is on my mind. I found the movie offensive; hey that’s just me tho. I am often out of synch. But I digress.</p>

<p>Of greater concern: there are a growing number of stories where the parents are being blamed for their child’s illness and neurological problems. This story (neuro problems in our young) continues to morph in odd ways. No doubt there are some cases of abuse … well … I recall a few instances of the doc thinking I was overreacting when my children were clearly ill (to me) but they could find nothing … a day later the “clinical” evidence came in so we were taken more seriously … it is horrifying to know your child is ill and the powerful doc looks at you like you’re crazy lady. I had a dear friend (a doc) visiting for the weekend once and I happened to be the one to get sick - I was in great pain in the morning (ear infection) and she looked and found nothing and then a few hours later she looked again and found a very bad ear and she commented “I didn’t know it could come on so fast and hard like that.” She’s a great doc and a kind person but had not experienced such in her own body or her children’s or in her clinical practice. It is a very hard world when you know your child is ill and you are patted on the head and dismissed or worse blamed…the world can get very bad very fast.</p>

<p>So I’m just watching the movie I linked now and am learning about sv40 for the first time ever huh. Around minute 46 or so.</p>

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<p>Well it seems you are misattributing an action in a movie (I havent seen) to an observation about the hairstyles of reporters/tv announcers from a decade or so ago. Its inaccurate and irrelevant. I carry an old military spouse ID in my wallet and laugh about what my hair looked like then. I dont really think I am discrediting myself.</p>

<p>It seems to me you are trying got take the conversation off topic, and/or trying to discredit the links I have posted because of some side observation about the age of some of the info presented in that documentary (reflected in part by the styles seen in the clips). Good stuff, as you say. It seems dated, and its best to stay with current information. The CNN article link I posted was posted on the fbk pg of a woman (yes a WOMAN) who is completing her postdoc in Molecular Genetics and Genomics. I trust her references.</p>

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<p>To say jym was making fun of some woman’s hairdo in her post is stretching it. I think she was merely pointing out it was out dated. I make fun of my big puffy shoulder pads from the 80s.</p>

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<p>Whoa. BIG edit to your one line post, hugcheck. Why not post in response to a post? Cant follow the edit, and not interested in your attempt to pick a fight. Take it elsewhere. This is a thread about vaccinating kids, which is why I posted the link from CNN this morning. Vaccinations save lives. The end.</p>

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<p>Wo. 1:25 ish in the movie. This is the first time I’ve heard of Dr. Poul Thorson. The “Danish Study” has been used as the foundation of the vaccine industry’s claim that “there is no relationship between vaccines and Autism.”</p>

<p>“But, its author, Danish researcher Poul Thorsen, last year, was indicted for fraud over the study, and an arrest warrant was issued. Thorsen is now in hiding.”</p>

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<li>See more at: [Autism</a> “Danish Study” Author is “On the Run…” Poul Thorsen - Makes US “Top Ten Most Wanted” List](<a href=“http://www.bolenreport.com/Mark%20Geier/poulson.htm#sthash.EuM0jqHb.dpuf]Autism”>http://www.bolenreport.com/Mark%20Geier/poulson.htm#sthash.EuM0jqHb.dpuf)</li>
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<p>The “Danish Study” has been used as the foundation of the vaccine industry’s claim that “there is no relationship between vaccines and Autism.”</p>

<p>But, its author, Danish researcher Poul Thorsen, last year, was indicted for fraud over the study, and an arrest warrant was issued. Thorsen is now in hiding.</p>

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<p>Also I apologize Jym. I did not mean to pick a fight. I talked about my rx to Mr. Banks as a way to point out that I am very cranky right now about using a woman’s style to damn her words.</p>

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<p>Please consider looking at the mainstream research [Autism</a> and Vaccines | Research, Funding, Support | Autism Science Foundation](<a href=“http://www.autismsciencefoundation.org/autismandvaccines.html]Autism”>http://www.autismsciencefoundation.org/autismandvaccines.html)</p>

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<p>And this: <a href=“http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/04/14/poul-thorsen-vaccines-fraud/[/url]”>http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/04/14/poul-thorsen-vaccines-fraud/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Apology accepted, hugcheck. But it sure felt like, in return, you commented on my observation to damn my words. Seems to be one and the same.</p>

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<p>Yes - both sides are accusing the other of ad hominem attack. </p>

<p>That is why I am interested in watching a video <a href=“- YouTube”>- YouTube; that includes doctors, lawyers, parents, original researchers of polio vaccines, to hear what they have to say. </p>

<p>I believe the jury is still out on vaccine safety.</p>

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<p>Jym you read and write and think alot faster than I do. I’ve edited some posts and by the time I get them up you’ve responded. I just am slow, sorry.</p>

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<p>As opposed to the illnesses they target? </p>

<p>Polio, whooping cough, measles, mumps, rubella, influenza, have all been proven to be far more hazardous to one’s health than the vaccines that prevent them.</p>