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<p>I believe that is hawketts point. The larger the school, the larger the population of lower scoring students. Thus making a statement re quality of a student body. If you scored over 700 you would be surrounded by peers at Duke but would be in a significant minority at NC or VA.</p>
<p>Very insightful statistic.</p>
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<p>Iamsounsure, care to explain? How are HYPSM not better than Penn? My point was that unless you’re HYPSM, and you want to play the rankings game, there is ALWAYS someone better than you, no matter who you are. So why bother?</p>
<p>Snootiness is relative.</p>
<p>^^ WRONG.
academics are basically all the same. at undergrad, everyone is learning basically the same things.</p>
<p>Opportunities and prestige is definitely different between schools, but between the top 50, the academics are basically all the same as you will learn the same shyt. It’s just the class sizes, etc that might make it or break it for YOU specifically.</p>
<p>One way that I have measured this is to compare the achievement levels of each school’s student body on the SAT and the ACT exams. I looked at absolute barriers (700 on the CR and Math SAT and 30 on the ACT) and asked what percentage of the student body achieved at these levels. As the data attests, the usual suspects top the list and IMO, the order is a reasonable listing of student body quality at these colleges. </p>
<p>Rank , Total Score , School , Critical Reading SAT (25% weight) , Math SAT (25% weight) , ACT (50% weight)</p>
<p>1 , 94.5% , Caltech , 80% , 100% , 99%
2 , 80.0% , MIT , 59% , 87% , 87%
3 , 77.0% , Yale , 77% , 77% , 77%
4 , 75.5% , Princeton , 73% , 75% , 77%
5 , 74.5% , Wash U , 64% , 74% , 80%
6 , 72.5% , Columbia , 65% , 67% , 79%
7 , 69.8% , Northwestern , 61% , 66% , 76%
8 , 68.0% , Duke , 60% , 68% , 72%
9 , 66.5% , Stanford , 61% , 67% , 69%
9 , 66.0% , Dartmouth , 65% , 65% , 67%
11 , 67.3% , Tufts , 60% , 57% , 76%
12 , 65.5% , U Penn , 55% , 67% , 70%
12 , 68.8% , Notre Dame , 51% , 58% , 83%
14 , 63.3% , Brown , 61% , 66% , 63%
15 , 64.8% , Rice , 53% , 64% , 71%
16 , 59.8% , U Chicago , 64% , 59% , 58%
17 , 61.0% , Emory , 48% , 56% , 70%
18 , 60.0% , Vanderbilt , 46% , 54% , 70%
19 , 57.8% , Johns Hopkins , 42% , 59% , 65%
20 , 56.0% , Carnegie Mellon , 33% , 67% , 62%
21 , 53.5% , Georgetown , 57% , 50% , 54%
22 , 54.3% , Cornell , 42% , 59% , 58%
23 , 52.5% , Brandeis , 42% , 46% , 61%
24 , 48.8% , USC , 35% , 46% , 57%
25 , 42.3% , W&M , 45% , 32% , 46%
26 , 39.0% , UC Berkeley , 32% , 46% , 39%
27 , 39.3% , NYU , 32% , 35% , 45%
28 , 39.0% , U Michigan , 23% , 43% , 45%
29 , 38.8% , Case Western , 25% , 38% , 46%
30 , 36.0% , Boston Coll , 31% , 41% , 36%
31 , 35.0% , Georgia Tech , 21% , 45% , 37%
32 , 36.3% , U Rochester , 25% , 34% , 43%
33 , 33.8% , UCLA , 22% , 43% , 35%
34 , 32.5% , U Virginia , 29% , 36% , 33%
34 , 33.5% , U Illinois , 16% , 46% , 36%
36 , 31.5% , U North Carolina , 27% , 29% , 35%
37 , 26.3% , Rensselaer , 24% , 47% , 17%
38 , 29.0% , Wake Forest , 26% , 32% , 29%
38 , 31.3% , Tulane , 33% , 16% , 38%
40 , 28.3% , U Wisconsin , 17% , 32% , 32%
41 , 26.0% , Lehigh , 18% , 34% , 26%
42 , 22.5% , UCSD , 14% , 30% , 23%
42 , 23.0% , U Texas , 17% , 25% , 25%
44 , 20.8% , U Florida , 16% , 21% , 23%
44 , 21.8% , Yeshiva , 17% , 16% , 27%
46 , 17.5% , U Washington , 12% , 16% , 21%
47 , 15.0% , UC Santa Barbara , 11% , 13% , 18%
48 , 12.5% , UC Irvine , 8% , 17% , 13%
49 , 10.5% , Penn State , 7% , 14% , 11%
50 , 10.0% , UC Davis , 7% , 13% , 10% </p>
<p>What he posted (above) is meaningless without the elite Liberal Arts Colleges.</p>