<p>The question was that were do poor people go to school.
I would have to say the school that accepts them with the best finacial aid plan because I wouldn't go to a school that put me in 6 figure debt.</p>
<p>The military.</p>
<p>Yes with my passive hostility, im just observing that most of the kids in my small city/town that do well in school are middle class, and i do not resent the rich kids in my town at all, i just believe they take what they have for granted and blow off education like it is nothing. </p>
<p>the animosity im speaking of is more like the stuff on the 1st page of this thread, morlocks, iraq, etc...</p>
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<p>Moral fiber. So, what is moral fiber? It's funny, I used to think it was always telling the truth, doing good deeds, basically being a ****ing boy scout. But lately I've been seeing it differently. Now I think moral fiber's about finding that one thing you really care about. That one special thing that means more to you than anything else in the world. And when you find her, you fight for her. You risk it all, you put her in front of everything, your life, all of it. And maybe the stuff you do to help her isn't so clean. You know what? It doesn't matter. Because in your heart you know, that the juice is worth the squeeze. That's what moral fiber's all about.</p>
<p>Morlocks was a joke ;) I thought it was a funny one, but I'm kinda a nerd so I guess I found it funnier. </p>
<p>I know what you mean about rich kids taking things for granted. Had a friend who went to a extremely expensive school, he ended up having 125k in loans, getting expelled from school his junior year, and then couldn't go to another school since his wasn't accredited. Now he flips burgers for a living, ironic since he was being a douche before and talking about how some people in society are just meant to do just that(he was talking about a mutual friend we had, which ****ed me off).</p>
<p>Well i'm poor, and going to the most expensive school in Nebraska. It's actually cheaper for me than those well to do kids, only have to come up with 3,000 a year. Thank-you to the US GOV for footing the other 39,000.</p>
<p>Stop whining, everyones poor.</p>
<p>the reality is that this whole college process is all about smarts. study hard, be a bright kid and work the system. there are some fantastic schools out there who have recently made the move to make finaid packages for low income families (< 60k) loan free. that's right, as in COMPLETELY LOAN FREE, meaning grants... big fat grants. then on top of those grants from the school you have pell grants and outside scholarships and workstudy and summer income... and in the end those 50k enducations are do-able... even for the "poor".
two private LAC's in Maine (Colby and Bowdoin) also eliminated loans from their finaid packages for maine students... it was smarter for some of my friends to go there rather than the state university.
yes, you have to work hard to get the grades to be accepted into these schools, but schools tend to be 100% need blind, meaning they don't evaluate your ability to pay before admitting you. so basically, yes it is harder for students from poor families to pay for college, but that is usually because they are not aware that the big sticker prices of high ranking schools (with big fat endowments) end up being reduced to less than state universities.</p>
<p>^ ooh, loan free, thats making me salivate and lick my lips, its kinda freaky.</p>
<p>As onomatopoeia is saying, a lot of the top schools offer generous financial aid packages (full aid, no loans). This is the case for me at Northwestern (family income well below $60,000).</p>
<p>I wouldn't say it's worse at privates... 100% need met is the way to go! My "expensive" private school is a lot less for me than the "cheap" public school down the road.</p>
<p>If I recall correctly, 40% of all the students at Berkeley and UCLA combined are on Pell Grants.</p>
<p>i'm a little tired of people *****ing about "rich kids take things for granted." For the "extremely poor" americans, I'd like to remind you all how much you take for granted. Being poor in the developed world is still leaps and bounds ahead of a very large proportion of the population of this world.</p>
<p>Practice what you preach.</p>
<p>No one is saying that America's poor are worse off than those in third world countries.</p>
<p>However, you would be surprised by how poor some people actually are in the United States. This is the world's superpower, so the poverty we do have, while not equal to Africa's or South America's, is still inexcusable.</p>
<p>Inexcusable? Not everyone believes it is a duty of the more economically successful to subsidize the living of people less well-off.</p>
<p>This year I paid basically nothing at Amherst College. Our EFC went up for next year, so I may have to take out $7-$8k in loans. BUT they do not offer any loans as part of their financial aid, I would have to take out loans because my parents can't pay anything toward college. However, my sister will be a freshman next year and she applied to only 1 school - U Minnesota - and will have $15k in loans. So yeah - private can be a lot cheaper!</p>
<p>totakeke, i wasn't saying that anyone was saying that. But there are people on here, and in real life too, who would like to make you think that they're financial situation is so horrible that anyone whose situation is better and doesn't spend 45mins before going to bed every night thanking god or their parents or whomever for all the opprotunities their parents have worked to earn is a horrible person. I think those "really poor" people need a reality check.</p>
<p>Most work and take a few classes at the local community college. Others don't go to college at all.</p>
<p>In my experience, the general routes are community college then state school (my aunt, two uncles, brother), military (dad, two cousins, close family friend), or straight into the working field (pretty much everyone else in my family). </p>
<p>I will be the second person in my family to ever start at a four year private school, with the first being my cousin who is a year ahead of me (the daughter of one of the uncles who went to cc then state school), and her dad makes good money. I'm managing to afford private school because I worked my butt off in high school, took AP classes, utilize fee waivers, and as a result got really good merit aid/outside scholarships in addition to the state/school finaid grants. </p>
<p>So basically in my experience, the frequency is:</p>
<p>No job training > community college then state school > military > straight to four year institution</p>
<p>Poor people end up on the street. Why? Because, it's simple. Just take a look at America in a whole. The economy is crap; gas is sky rocketing, food is increasing in price, stocks suck; and it's getting harder and harder to find work.</p>
<p>Unless you get a great education that will guarantee you a fabulous and lucrative job, you're going to be in big trouble when it comes to what's in your wallet.</p>
<p>Easy, that's the biggest crock of crap. "Oh I worked so hard for this money, I shouldn't share any of it. Obviously that homeless man on the street is just a bum who won't work, or that single mother is just a wh-re who should keep her legs shut so maybe she wouldn't have to be on WIC." People like you are the reason the poor can't get ahead. I know many people, like my mother and aunt, who worked very hard in their lives because they didn't have to resources to go to school (not that very many people really needed to go to college in the early 70's, esp. in the rural south, with plenty of jobs in factories), doing things such as working 8 hours+ a day standing up on cement floors running back and forth between four sewing machines making your washcloths and towels. And what happens? the jobs get mechanized or shipped overseas and where does that leave them? with absolutely bunk, no education and no job, living off unemployment, welfare, or (fortunately in my mom's case since it's long-term) disability. How is that their fault and how can you think it's not right to help someone in a situation like that?</p>