<p><em>eats his popcorn and watches the match continue.... better than TV....</em></p>
<p>yo...stop acting stupid...poor people get full FAFSA</p>
<p>What in the world is a full FAFSA?</p>
<p>Poor people get an EFC 0, this is true, but at the vast majority of places of higher learning, be it private, state, or c.c., you still get financially gapped. I got gapped at all of the above, which is after receiving scholarships to all of the above (well, to one of the two state schools I applied to). </p>
<p>You can get a full ride at some top 40 schools, but let's face it. Most poor people don't have the resources to get the extracurriculars, SAT grades, and guidance to get into those schools anyway.</p>
<p>An EFC of $0 means nothing. Schools will still determine your need with their own methods; case in point: my EFC was around $3500 and my actual EFC as determined by a very well-endowed college is more than four times that amount.</p>
<p>Elder, what makes you think a higher average IQ will necessarily improve society? Let’s not forget that the Unibomber was a genius. Lots of people with smart genes do nothing, and don’t have the will, to do anything for the benefit of humanity. I’d say nurture matters more than nature, in terms of how each will result in well-adjusted adults who are motivated to make some difference in the world. How about providing impoverished youth with the proper resources and role models, rather than simple elimination of “bad” genes from the gene pool?</p>
<p>“Elder, what makes you think a higher average IQ will necessarily improve society?”</p>
<p>I’m not elder but I’d say an increase in average intelligence is arguably the definition of an improved society. </p>
<p>“Let’s not forget that the Unibomber was a genius.”</p>
<p>If he lived in a world full of people as smart as him he probably wouldn’t have been the Unabomber.</p>
<p>holy thread revive</p>
<p>My bad for not checking dates…</p>
<p>I’m at a state school in Cali, and there are a LOT or rich kids (more like rich parents). It sucks when you don’t have a lot of $$. </p>
<p>I know quite a few kids that are taking out lots of loans b/c the school is facing budget problems. </p>
<p>I think there are plenty of kids that “act” rich…they go out a lot and don’t care about what they spend on, etc.</p>
<p>the great thing about this topic imo is I consider any college student that doesn’t get help from their parents to be poor. I mean if your parents make 100K + and dont help you pay for college, then you are poor (student) bc you will be forced into debt once you are done with college.</p>
<p>^I agree .</p>
<p>Poor people can go to college. A lot of poor people should NOT be going to college because they are dumb. Percentage wise, there are a lot of poor people who are also dumb. If your parents are poor, it could possibly be that they are stupid (stupidity causes poverty), and passed their stupid genes on to you. This doesn’t happen all the time, as there are plenty of exceptions, but it happens a lot. </p>
<p>Poor people who are also dumb should go straight into the workforce or go into a vocational training program at a local CC. Poor people who are very smart can get full-rides to top schools through need-based financial aid. Dumb poor people SHOULD NOT borrow lots of money to major in a useless subject at a third-rate school.</p>
<p>This is such an ignorant question. </p>
<p>^And as for the post above. Maybe we should put more money into improving K-12 public schools with poor people and low performance so that they aren’t “dumb.”</p>
<p>poor people can go wherever they want. they have the same opportunities, but they have to work twice as hard for them…but don’t let that stop you.</p>
<p>“yo…stop acting stupid…poor people get full FAFSA”</p>
<p>Maybe you should quit acting stupid and know what you’re talking about. </p>
<p>"And as for the post above. Maybe we should put more money into improving K-12 public schools with poor people and low performance so that they aren’t “dumb.” "</p>
<p>I somewhat agree with this except it only applies to inner-city schools, imo. Why I say this is because my father ran a quite successful business until my junior year in high school. Due to this, we lived in an upper-middle class neighborhood that had one of the best public schools in the state of NJ. What happened during my junior year was he got into an automobile accident which made him disabled. He was the ONLY one that brought in our household income. When it came time to applying to colleges, my father still urged/recommended me to apply to OOS schools even though we weren’t in a good financial position.</p>
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<p>Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever wanted to punch someone so badly over the internet. To just so widely generalize everyone who’s poor as dumb, off of what statistic? what study? are you a freakin’ idiot? this original question is idiotic but congrats on winning the most ridiculous post.</p>
<p>Anyway, I have a 0 EFC and that doesn’t mean full cover unless you get into an ivy league. Usually I’d find a gap of 10000-5000 and the thing is, that’s a lot (maybe to me, but it’s still far too much). I got lucky with my top school as they covered me better than my state (only a few grand in government loan, everything else paid). For kids that don’t get lucky with really good well-known schools they go wherever they can get full rides (Agnes Scott, Williams, Amherst, Tufts, Bowdoin, all give pretty good aid. A&M, UT, UNT also do.) And those that don’t care to go to college, they might go to community college and become a nurse or mechanic or something that still pays well (and these aren’t dumb people). Then others don’t bother with all that and just go get regular jobs.</p>
<p>Oh, and I do go to an inner city school where they gave me fee waivers for tests and college applications so all that helped because otherwise I really wouldn’t have bothered as much (I do not have that 100s of dollars). I just agree with future that it’s just working harder, looking for the opportunities and all that.</p>
<p>^I agree, I just wished I could punch that guy in the throat.</p>
<p>The median household income in the US is currently ~$50k. The median annual tuition for a 4-year private college was ~16k in 2007 (with room & board, ~$22k year). Draw your own conclusions.</p>
<p>[United</a> States - Fact Sheet - American FactFinder](<a href=“http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ACSSAFFFacts?_submenuId=factsheet_1&_sse=on]United”>http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ACSSAFFFacts?_submenuId=factsheet_1&_sse=on)</p>
<p>[Cost</a> of college seen climbing this year - Aug. 17, 2006](<a href=“http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/17/pf/college/college_costs/]Cost”>Cost of college seen climbing this year - Aug. 17, 2006)</p>
<p>Pierre and Lucky, I share the sentiment. But you have to realize that when people say the following words: smart, intelligent, brilliant, dumb, stupid, and many other similar terms, they don’t really state anything. Today these terms are so loaded with meanings that it effectively makes them mean nothing. </p>
<p>I would guess (and hope) that AntiRacist meant “uneducated” rather than “dumb”. Only then would his claims be somewhat accurate. The main problem with his claims is the fact that stupidity is heritable.The matter discussed in this topic is much too serious to state anything without backing it up with scientific results from credible sources. Reasoning alone will only cause tension and frustration, mostly due in part to reasoning based on fallacious claims.</p>
<p>Also to address what futureexecutive said, you’re right. However, it’s a miracle to have a poor person even know about the grand higher education system. They simply lack the resources to know it even exists.</p>
<p>^that is why i said they have to work twice as hard, but they definetely know there is more out there than factory workers and walmart employees.</p>
<p>If he means dumb=uneducated then it’s “A lot of poor people should NOT be going to college because they are uneducated”, which would barely make sense, unless he uses NOT because it’s opposite day in his world.</p>
<p>I doubt we don’t know about higher education. I think it’s that scholarships and FAFSA help is lesser known, and no one is going to college unless they can hope to pay for it. I only thought of college when I learned of scholarships and that was hard to convince my parents that people and organizations do give money to kids. Also that people do treat it as a miracle, as if you need to be incredibly blessed with either athletics are genius skills to even hope for college deters people from having college as a goal (it did for me for a while). Really, all you need to do is work hard and have someone explain it to you (like, explain colleges, which are good for first-generation, which give good aid, etc). I got lucky in finding someone like that because otherwise I would maybe go to UT and not bother with out of state schools. And SAT is another issue because it’s really just luck, no one tells you to go study, to take a prep class, there are no books except this little reddish one that’s given away for free by a few teachers.</p>
<p>But I think if you really want it you can work it out, find those people you need to help you and take a prep class for free. But the difference between the wealthy and the poor is that the poor, if they go to college, WANT it or even need it. From what I see wealthy seem to only go to college because it’s the norm, it’s what’s expected of them and it’s what they’re parents want of them.</p>