Where should this guy apply

<p>My instinct re: using the essay to explain the GPA versus using it to articulate his passion for writing is the latter, so he doesn’t sound as though he’s whining.</p>

<p>There are also 2 approaches to writing about the importance of writing to his personal fabric. One is to describe it directly; the other is to have it expressed through the quality of the writing itself. I think I’d encourage him to describe a situation in which he responded as a writer, in which he chose writing (from among other possible choices or activities) to express himself at a crucial moment. If that makes any sense. </p>

<p>If that’s too hard, just fall back upon the more direct: why I love to write, all the things I’ve done/choices I’ve made that prove I love to write (Iowa, etc), what my dreams are as a writer, how your college’s program will help me realize that, etc.</p>

<p>He could acknowledge the GPA problem in a sentence, or perhaps short answer. They often ask you to add “anything the committee needs to know to better understand your application” and that might be the time to acknowledge the elephant in the room. I’ve heard Adcoms (admission officers) write here that they don’t expect applicants to be perfect, and glean a lot from seeeing how they address their weakness. </p>

<p>My S is a writer who was accepted into a screenwriting program in a private California university, despite very noticeable weaknesses in Math and Science, both on his transcript and SAT scores. He was what they call a “gappy” applicant; very strong in English and History. It’s a known breed among AdComs. </p>

<p>I say, go for his strengths but find a brief moment to own up to recognizing the weak moments in his GPA. The Adcoms will see it. Their biggest concern seems to be this kind of gap: the super-high SAT scores (north of 750) coupled with blah GPA’s, which makes them worry that it’s an underachiever or lazybones. OR, the stratospheric GPA with good-not-great SAT scores, which might indicate someone who overworks in class, lacks intellectual creativity and sparkle. I get the impression that the second type has more opportunities in more places than the first type, but still the first type does find their right home with effort. You’re putting the right emphasis by looking for some unuusal places to apply, since you can’t change the kid and wouldn’t want to.</p>

<p>DITTO on the PORTFOLIO. My S got in everywhere they asked for a portfolio (except NYU) and nowhere that wouldn’t take one as part of their app. But don’t eliminate the non-portfolio schools from your list! My S also probably fell down with some schools because he skipped 11th grade so was trying to gain entry a year young. Who knows? It all did work out happily. He got in to 2 places, waitlisted at 1, rejected at 5. Right now he’s in freshman heaven at his new college.</p>

<p>Your S is probably very scared right now (you indicated writer’s block) so try hard to be a non-anxious presence in his life. If he’s a writer, he’s already got enough sensitivity for 3 people and it’s hard. Not a bad time for the Mom rah-rah, you can do this speeches. Don’t worry too much in his presence. This will work out, as long as you come up with an appropriate range of places to apply, and that’s what you’re doing.</p>

<p>He might be wise to push up to applying to at least 6 places, My son’s limit was 8 and remember that the portfolio takes more time than the app. I got him to arrange for some advice from his best English teacher on what to include in the portfolio from among all his writings, since the teacher may have a good, objective view for what’s the best of the stories.</p>

<p>Don’t sweat the GPA. It’s not atypical for white male students from competitive schools. Boys are immature. Colleges know that. Emphasize the positive.</p>

<p>Be SURE to get compelling recommmendations. Personally, I would advise against waiving confidentiality. Get four or five recs and choose the best three–the ones that pick him as a potential high flyer.</p>

<p>If he reads classics in his spare time and enjoys them, check out St. Johns in Annapolis. I think they would look past grades, and I know they don’t give a fig about test scores.</p>

<p>St. Johns loves smart slackers. My nephew had very mixed grades and will be attending the New Mexico campus. But you have to buy into the program. Worth looking at though. They have applicants do sort of a group interview thing - my nephew totally fell in love with everything about it.</p>

<p>Double suggest St. John’s in Annapolis or in New Mexico. I believe they have two campuses.</p>

<p>Pay3tuitions - such a thorough, sensitive, sensible and helpful post. Thanks to everyone for the wonderful suggestions. I had been deterred from St. John’s because of an online website which lambasts the place. We should visit, along with Washington College, Maryland and several in NY. What about reaches - are Vassar, Wesleyan, Sarah Lawrence and Bard out of the question?</p>

<p>VAssar and Wesleyan are reaches for almost everyone; I’d never call anything out of the question, though his GPA does put him at a disadvantage.</p>

<p>I’d imagine he has a fair shot at Sarah Lawrence and BArd. They are both extremely writing-centric schools that might look beyond the grades.</p>

<p>Triple suggest St. John’s and double suggest Washington College in Maryland.</p>

<p>Bard is very proud of its writers and writing program, so they might understand your kid’s application and candidacy. Do some research on their approach to teaching writing there. I heard the pres of Bard on NPR a few months ago. They inquired of his faculty’s unique approach to teaching writing. Evidently they decided to use class time to have kids read and break apart good writing to figure out why it works, then try out a writing exercise along those lines. The faculty believed it was more productive use of student classtime than having kids bring in writing and having their peers critique it.<br>
He said writers learn to write better by reading lots of good writing, not spending time hearing lesser writing. He said that it was just his faculty’s perception about how to use classroom time. (I guess usually the peer critique is more typical.) After researching this, if he can embrace this idea, perhaps they’d find a match in him. I thought of Bard after reading your first post.
Of the other 3, I guess nobody has a crystal ball on Vassar, Wes, SL. Some think it’s an advantage to be a male applicant, especially at SL, because of the percentages by gender.</p>

<p>When talking about reaches, put your faith in your school’s scattergrams. Your son goes to a competitive NE school. They have a history of acceptances with reach schools in the NE. My gut is that the 2.95 is too low for the reaches you mentioned but only your school scattergram knows for sure…The scattergram will tell you exactly how far he can reach–and I don’t think it is as far as Kenyon, Wesleyen and Vassar–without serious family ‘hooks’.</p>

<p>Schools that sometimes take lopsided slackers will have those dots on their scattergrams–every year or so.</p>

<p>Definitely look at St. John’s. also google “Great Books Program” you’ll find a website of other colleges that do similar, seminar style literature analysis courses. I’m more familiar with the west coast, but I know there were quite a few on your side of the states, offered as semester, yearly or two year programs.</p>

<p>Another vote for Washington College–a very well-known creative writing program, and lots of kindred spirits. However, not an “artsy” school-loads of preppy-types as well. This can be good if he wants writing but not a “crunchy” school.</p>

<p>^ To be totally honest, while I recommended it for writing early on in the thread, and was in the running for the big prize, I transfered away (almost 30 years ago) because of the preppiness and lack of academic interest of the majority of the students. This certainly may have changed since then.</p>

<p>If Washington is at all preppy he won’t be happy there. He needs a group of fellow oddball/rebels/intellectuals to feel comfortable. But we’ll give it a look and see if he picks up a vibe.
Garland - where did you transfer? Was it a better fit?</p>

<p>grizzlymom, in addition to St. John’s, and completely out of left field in terms of location, would he consider Deep Springs?</p>

<p>GM–temper what I’m saying with the fact that it was 25+ years ago, but I transfered into U Michigan (how’s that for a change!) where I was lucky to enter the Honors English Program. I felt much more at home there, but truthfully, I chose it for personal reasons, and it just turned out to be the right place for me.</p>

<p>GM-Think of a reason, such as marked improvement second semester or great job on the final last year (or whatever) and have him ask his junior teachers via email to change his grades: a B+ to an A- for example. Keep it quiet and hope for the best. You only need one out of 5 or 6 to help you out. You have nothing to lose, even one grade change might bump him up over the 3.0 mark.</p>

<p>He might want to consider Eugene Lang College in NYC. I attended for a year (senior year of HS) and loved it (but wanted math/science, so did not continue there). They have seminar-style classes and it sounds like they also have a neat internship program.</p>

<p>garland and grizzlymom–</p>

<p>Washington still garners its share of Baltimore preppies, but it’s not the same school it was when Garland and I were in college. Son and I toured and saw a good mix of kids, with loads of New Jersey plates in the student parking lot.</p>

<p>On the other hand, if the student was looking for an overwhelmingly liberal, artsy place, Washington would not be a fit. It is my son’s current first choice, probably because he wants a college that is neither too hippie or fratty.</p>

<p>rebel/oddball/intellectual = Hampshire, Bard</p>