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Notre Dame and Georgetown are academically comparable. Fordham is around the level of BC. Unsure about Holy Cross Massachusetts, but it’s not a university, it’s a liberal arts college, so it’s like comparing apples to oranges.</p>
<p>-As a ND student.</p>
<p>HC has been ranked from the mid 20’s to low 30’s since US NEWS began ranking over 25 years ago. ND has usually been in the 17-18 range, Gtown mid 20’s. HC also has produced more Rhodes than Tufts and BC and is only a fraction of the size of Boston College. From a prestige point of view HC is the only Catholic school that has played Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, Brown etc for well over 100 years and its alumni giving rate at 55% is significantly higher than Gtown and Boston College.</p>
<p>I’m just saying, there are flaws when comparing universities to liberal arts colleges. Not that a hierarchy is needed…</p>
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Also, I don’t understand what this means.</p>
<p>Yeah, I don’t understand what any of your stats mean either. Even if Rhode Scholars were the end all be all, Holy Cross has produced 5 and Tufts has produced 4. That is the worst basis for making one university better than another. By that logic Colorado College is better than Holy Cross, BC, and Tufts by a massive margin.</p>
<p>I also don’t understand the whole plays against the ivies or what that even means. The ivies are division 1. So technically a lot of schools play against them including big state schools (when it comes to conferences, the winner of the league goes to the conference).</p>
<p>I also don’t understand alumni giving rate. If it’s so high, why isn’t the endowment in the billions? Just because a person gives $25 doesn’t mean much (there was a controversy at Cornell several years back when 2 students were singled out for not donating $1 and thus improving alumni giving rate).</p>
<p>And on alumni, that’s reallyyyy silly. I mean, I could claim Boston College has Peter Lynch or Tufts has Jamie Dimon.</p>
<p>Why not give some more logical reasons instead of just spewing out esoteric and haphazard facts?</p>
<p>Colgate, Bucknell, Lafayette, BC, Lehigh, Tufts, Fordham, Georgetown, NYU</p>
<p>Alumni giving rate is a stat important to institutions and the foundations that donate- it’s highly significant to a school’s peer-to-peer rep. It’s just not one of the factors that usually play in CC discussions. We lay folks can, however, see it as a mark of the great alumni loyalty- which I, for one, think is important. In the case of a smaller LAC, I think it’s impressive.</p>
<p>Also agree, can’t compare Georgetown, a university with a world-wide rep and superior grad programs, with a regional LAC. BUT, there is significant overlap in the kids who apply to G and to HC, etc. In that respect, it’s valid to throw them into the same pool.</p>
<p>Has OP left the building?</p>
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Alumni giving rate has little to do with the peer assessment; Notre Dame has one of the highest rates, yet a low peer assessment (as do most Catholic schools, thanks to their religious nature and lower research output).</p>
<p>You can’t rate a school on alumni giving alone- as you state, ND may be impacted by religion and research.
Alumni giving percentages also factor in USNWR. (They are open about all the factors they include.) Many foundations that donate large sums look to these giving rates, not necessarily dollar amounts. Peer-to-peer rep refers to how institutions view each other. Many other factors also play.</p>
<p>"Holy Cross is a mid-tier LAC. Equivalent schools:</p>
<p>Bates
Hamilton
Conn College
Lafayette
Franklin & Marshall
Kalamazoo
Denison
Lawrence
Occidental
Whitman </p>
<p>Larger school equivalents:</p>
<p>Villanova
Univeristy of Richmond
University of Santa Clara</p>
<p>It is not equivalent to BC or Georgetown, HC’s two Jesuit cousins. BC is a quarter click above; Georgetown a full click above. Bucknell and Colgate are also somewhat better schools academically than HC."</p>
<p>OP, this is probably the best answer you are going to get on this board (especially with all the recent HC ■■■■■■). Apples to oranges to compare lesser known LACs to national universities. HC is comparable to schools ranked similarly in US News under the LAC category.</p>
<p>Alumni giving is a pretty good indication of the loyalty of alums to their alma mater. HC, Colgate have very strong alumni networks that help recent grads in job placement. Per CNBC HC was ranked 12th among all schools ahead of Amherst, wesleyan, Tufts, Gtown and several ivies payscale salary data. As one of a few schools that is need-blind for admissions(same as Ivies and Duke), HC offers perspective students a good edge in these weak economic times.</p>
<p>^Picking random criteria by which to judge a college is made more odd by the completely arbitrary things you are choosing. Alumni giving? Loyalty? lol, then Alabama should be an ivy considering its aluma mater are some of the most loyal. </p>
<p>HC is a great school, but some ■■■■■■ on here are rediculous.</p>
<p>Geez. The question includes job hunting. Yup, satisfied alums tend to give and to network- not just go back for games or wear the hat, but support each other in job hunts. It’s not perfect. But, yup, Bama is another good networking school. If you can understand its value to Bama folks, why not for HC, up in the northeast? </p>
<p>Why the knee jerk thing about calling HC people ■■■■■■? I can’t recall any other school’s people getting this slam across several threads. In fact, posters here are frank about naming other equivalents- no one’s saying HC or bust.</p>
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I’ve seen a few of them doing ■■■■■-like posts. Whenever there’s a thread about Holy Cross Indiana (near Notre Dame, Rudy went there), one of the Holy Cross Massachusetts posters will drop by, explaining the differences in detail, complete with founding dates and US News rankings. It’s rather annoying, since there had been no discussion of the Massachusetts one, someone just felt the need to boost their school.</p>
<p>So no, most posters from HC aren’t ■■■■■■, but I’ve seen it from a few. (And I wasn’t the one to call them ■■■■■■ here, just explaining why someone might say that.)</p>
<p>"Why the knee jerk thing about calling HC people ■■■■■■? I can’t recall any other school’s people getting this slam across several threads. In fact, posters here are frank about naming other equivalents- no one’s saying HC or bust. "</p>
<p>Seriously, check out par72’s other comments on other threads. You’ll be amused.</p>
<p>I also suspect par72 and required_details are the same person.</p>
<p>IP address for par72, required_details and HCCrusader would be interesting. Either three ■■■■■■ that say the same thing, or one unemployed person in the basement.</p>
<p>When I was growing up in the suburbs of Boston Holy Cross was considered far superior to Boston College. The bummer for Holy Cross is that Doug Flutie went to BC to play football in the 80’s and not Holy Cross thus pushing Boston College up in prestige because it became so popular (Rooty, Tooty, Doug Flutie!). I have looked at Holy Cross for my son and would pick Holy Cross any day over Boston College. Holy Cross has solid academics. Their alumi are very involved in giving back to their school - without being obnoxious! Just a solid group of people who are proud of their school (and probably not too happy about being overshadowed by BC).</p>
<p>When I think of Holy Cross I think of -
Union (NY)
Colby (ME)</p>
<p>This is just my opinion & I am not a Holy Cross alum!</p>
<p>^ At least someone ■■■■■■■■ for HC isn’t an alum. I’m sure it was considered on par with BC in the 1970s, maybe even the 1980s, but that was a VERY long time ago, no offense.</p>
<p>I was around Mass. in the 1970’s. Holy Cross was considered slightly (NOT “far”) superior to BC academically. But even in the mid-70’s BC started playing national football powers like Notre Dame and Texas, while HC was still playing standard Northeast foes. So by the time Flutie arrived, BC was already on the national radar athletically. While Flutie’s BC teams were going to bigtime bowl games and playing Alabama, HC was sort of left at the altar. BCs athletic momentum made it even more prominent and attractive nationally, and academic momentum followed. It always had a much better location than HC, but when its academics and athletics zoomed ahead, the BC/HC rivalry melted.</p>
<p>Not ■■■■■■■■ for HC. BC has only become " all that" in recent years. Many of the alum’s are from the pre-“all that era” so they, to be blunt, are not a group of go getters. They tend to be more of the type that likes to live off the current reputation of the school forgetting that they are pretty much a group of goofs ( and a stingy group of goofs at that). Seriously that school did not start to go up in the ratings until the '90’s so how strong can the alumni group be???</p>
<p>Holy Cross has always been 1/3 or 1/4 the size of Boston College-2800 students vs 10,000. HC has more in coomon with Colgate and Dartmouth than Boston College in athletics.</p>