<p>According to PR's Best 361 Colleges 2007, Colgate students "often prefer" Middlebury. Colgate isn't even mentioned as an overlap in Middlebury's write-up. The colleges themselves furnish this information.</p>
<p>there is no way colgate an match middlebury's prowess</p>
<p>I don't what you mean by prowess. Middlebury seems to have a larger endowment, although I'm not really sure how tangible that is in contributing to the enjoyment of the experience, especially at the level where both schools are. It's not like Colgate is hurting for funds that it can't create a good college experience. </p>
<p>With an SAT avg within 2 points of each other and an acceptance rate within 3% of each other, it's not like the student body at Middlebury is at all head and shoulders above Colgate that it's not even in the same category as you claim.</p>
<p>"prowess" :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Arcadia, are you a recent Midd grad?</p>
<p>I know several students who picked Colgate over Middlebury, and several who picked Middlebury over Colgate. Neither seems like a surprising decision to me. My brother picked Colgate over Middlebury. In our neck of the woods it is very common for students (particularly boys for some reason) to have both schools on their lists - lots of similarities here. My own kid didn't want to apply to Middlebury because "it is in the middle of nowhere", which of course makes absolutely no sense at all since he picked Colgate. :)</p>
<p>I have seen the same. Two of my best friends: one picked Colgate over Middlebury, one picked Middlebury over Colgate; both rejected at Princeton, Dartmouth, Williams. </p>
<p>One reason a lot of the people I know picked Colgate over Middlebury has to do with the size of the school. Especially, a little while back, Colgate was a fair bit larger (700 vs 500 a class). While 200 people a class isn't a huge difference when you're debating Yale vs Brown, it is 40% and Colgate definitely has a larger feel to it as the campus size is over 50% larger; which maybe is why it would feel less in the middle of nowhere than Middlebury. This is somewhat less relevant today since the class size at Middlebury has grown much faster in the last decade that the discrepancy is not nearly as great as it had been. The other major attraction was the Greek system and Division I sports aspects of Colgate that provides an added element and also makes a small school not feel so small.</p>
<p>not so recent grad...</p>
<p>And I know people who picked Middlebury over Williams, Amherst, and Dartmouth. But most who are accepted by A,W or Dartmouth end up going there. Middlebury wins more often than not in the cross admit battle with Colgate. Colgate acknowledged this to PR when they submitted their overlap data.</p>
<p>Even Harvard's yield rate isn't 100. All schools lose applicants to other schools for various reasons. These threads are always goofy because they ask ridiculous questions from the start. "Which is better, Middlebury or Amherst or Williams?" How about the school that fits you the best?!!? All this "my cousin's uncle's father's best friend chose Colgate over Amherst" crap is silly.</p>
<p>I don't dispute that Middlebury probably wins over 50% of those battles. I just wanted it acknowledged that it was a battle and there are many selling points for both.</p>
<p>While Harvard's yield isn't 100% I get the impression they are really only losing any students to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT or a school that won't cost as much.</p>
<p>Yes, well, I doubt that many people who are applying to Harvard are also applying to Mississippi State University.</p>
<p>If they're smart and from Mississippi, they certainly could be.</p>
<p>Which is why I said "many". :) Since most people tend to apply to schools that are similar, I think it's safe to say that most students applying to Harvard are not also applying to Mississippi State. Also, nobody has to be smart to APPLY to college..... Or even to be admitted for that matter.</p>
<p>Well, according to rankings though - Williams is the #1 ranked LAC on the country, followed closely by Amherst... Middlebury is somewhere down the list, haha.</p>
<p>only 3 more spots down to be exact actually....not a huge difference, but colgate is uh.......11! more spots from there. JK. they are all great schools, but in general i think amherst=williams>midd=bowdoin=wesleyan=carleton>colgate>colby=bate=conncoll etc.</p>
<p>I think that middlebury si growing extremely fsat, witha language and english program better tahn the rest of teh LACS, if nto better than the Ivies allready. And, with their new science buiolding, middlebury is on th grow. And I think they will reach 3 or 4 in teh US news rankings ina few yrs (they allrady climbed 3 spots form last yr), teh questuion si will it ever surpass amherst or williams - and i think taht is doubtful - but Swarthmore bette watch out.</p>
<p>while middlebury continues to improve, it is erroneous to think that it will inevitably continue to climb in the rankings. middlebury has improved greatly because it used to be ranked lower relative to its current peer group. the fact that it continues to improve, from here on, does not in any way guarantee that the school will rise in the rankings, however. such a conclusion assumes that other schools with which it is either regularly tied or ranked below will have slower rates of improvement than middlebury. the facts do not corroborate. bowdoin certainly has not been stagnant, its acceptance rate dropping by over 10% in the past five years, the quality of the students it enrolls increasing, and the physical plant undergoing constant rennovation. needless to say, swarthmore, williams, and amherst are also constantly improving their campuses and schools. middlebury is great, but once you reach the top, as in the top 10, there is very little room to grow.</p>
<p>i guess, but i dunno, wellesly - all girls - cmon singe sex school will get overtaken</p>
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<p>Thats correct Gellino..</p>
<p>Of the students choosing not to attend Harvard, virtually all go to Yale and Stanford. A few go to Princeton, MIT, and merit schools</p>