which is better: middlebury or amherst or williams

<p>It is SO meaningless to your experience whether an external source ranks your school as #4, 8, 12 or 16. Maybe, #5 vs #35, but not for such slight differences. It's one thing what an individual rates schools by their own priorities and what it will do for them, but it's another to obsequiously follow a capricious publication whose main goal is to create hype and sell more copies. </p>

<p>Another debate about where a school ranks is what difference does it make if it's up and coming (which is completely subjective anyway)? No one wants their school to go bankrupt, but if it was ranked #10 when you were there and then #5 two years after you graduate, is that better than #5 when you were there and #10 after you leave? I would say the latter because it was more a reflection of you as a student, but the way most people on here talk, it seems like they would say the former. What difference does it make after you've left and it's not taking you into account anymore? Thinking about this example, though, really shows the ephemeral, unimportant aspect of rankings.</p>

<p>yeah, but ranks do matter for presitige and future jobs.....</p>

<p>Gellino is right. Rankings don't matter in precise terms for future jobs. I went to LAC#1 and my kid attends LAC#16, and my employer recruits and hires at both LAC's. A student with top grades at LAC#16 will get in the door while a student with mediocre grades at LAC#1 will not. What matters most is how you do wherever you go to school. If you are lucky enough to go to a school which is a top tier school, very broadly defined, make the most of it.</p>

<p>so are you trying to say that it is better to go to a worse school and be in top 10% then go to the best and be in like top 40% or so....</p>

<p>W.i.l.l.i.a.m.s.</p>

<p>No, CollegeClueless I am not saying that. My employer likes kids from both the schools I mentioned and is not focussed on a ranking difference between them - that was my point. And wherever you go to school, you had better do well, or "prestige" will not get you anything.</p>

<p>honestly collegeclueless, if you are so hung up with rankings and prestige, you will be facing a lot of disappointment during your life, as the real world doesnt always run according to the usnews...</p>

<p>I think the definition of prestige has either changed or being misused a lot on this board. You say rankings matter for prestige. What do you mean by that? The opportunity to look down on someone because you went to the #8 school and they went to the #22 school? That hardly seems like something to want to aspire to that has any tangible effects other than causing those around you to regard you as very shallow. </p>

<p>Do you plan on watching the relative rankings of the #8 vs #22 over time, especially when they can easily potentially switch positions over the next ten years? It's one thing to choose a school based on where you think there will be smarter students with a similar bent and interests in an environment you like, but no rankings are going to help you determine that.</p>

<p>I like Middlebury, but that is personal opinion--based on what I'd want from a college. </p>

<p>You can't go wrong with any of your school choices. Pick the college for how it fits, rather than USNews rankings, as they change over time. There are minute difference that often get magnified by the choices the USN editors make when modifying/changing the process yearly. </p>

<p>So, the right college depends on what is most important to you, rather than those USN editors. Use the information (since USN does make it easy) in the issues, but ignore the rankings. Think in terms of a range. Say, something like 10 above and 10 below, at least. I looked at the whole tier plus 20 more.</p>

<p>okay - so lets forget about the rankings - can people give me opinions on which school they would pick and why?</p>

<p>Well since a few other posters have so thoroughly established that prestige, rankings, endowment etc. should make no difference in college comparisons....I'd have to say that Midd with its nicer campus, better food and dorms, slightly larger student body, more internationalized curriculum, better study abroad programs, higher community service participation rate, higher peace corps participation rate, better mascot (unless you like unnaturally colored livestock or the man who introduced the native american smallpox blanket genocide) and arguably better and newer facilities is the clear winner</p>

<p>i would pick williams. if all else are equal, why not go with the most established LAC? particularly if you're indifferent to what you want to study.</p>

<p>I personally like Amherst the most. I like the notion of a LAC within a larger community (5 colleges).</p>

<p>so it is like 1-1-1</p>

<p>It seems like you know enough about these schools now that I wouldn't be concerned about what others think, but in weighting in your own preferences or at least much moreso than keeping score.</p>

<p>Each campus has a unique culture. Visiting helps to get a flavor of each, but our manic college touring left us suffering from small sample bias. That said, I had very different experiences at the three colleges. </p>

<p>Midd, with its light, airy campus had students with the most friendly, easy going affect, although several times during the tour I asked the guide, "Where IS everybody?" Most of the students I saw were athletic, good looking, relaxed, and dressed in fleece. When I questioned students at random, all seemed enthusiastic and felt the school was fulfilling their academic hopes. Being alone together must work for them ... 60% eventually marry other Midd Kids; this could be from the isolation or from a strong acculturation process. Pack everything you need with you, because the local village offers very little. We may have considered this school more seriously if coming home to California wasn't a 14-hour planes, trains, and automobile odyssey. The town does not have Grey Hound service, and rides must be begged from profs to get down the mountain to civilization (read Hanover).</p>

<p>Williams seemed more quirky and energetic. It is a very pretty campus, but it can't touch Midd for beauty. The immediate area is rural like Carmel Valley is rural, protected open space dotted with gentleman farms and upscale destination spas. There are several local art museums and a resident Shakespeare company. We visited the Williams campus during midterms, and I saw more than a few haggered, stressed faces. The experience was described as "intense." All the students I interviewed were very animated, fast speaking, expressive, and uninhibited (contrast to Dartmouth, where every student questioned squared their shoulders and embarked on a detailed, formal sounding, extemporaneous speech - odd when I only wanted directions to the student union.) By noon half the campus was suited up for one sport or another, and school spirit seemed positively rabid. In general, the students came in all shapes and sizes, wore unique clothing, were very sports oriented, and felt free to joke/editorialize with me.</p>

<p>My experience at Amherst was disappointing. The adjacent city and the immediate village (charming if it could be seen) suffers from chronic traffic, and parking is a nightmare. The older admissions officer presiding over the info session seemed to be on valium as he answered our questions and trailed off into his own private musings. Fellow attendees, although beautiful and impeccably dressed, were completely mute. I felt as if my daughter and I were having a private interview surrounded by stuffed dummies or Stepford people. As for their college consortium, students average only one or two classes off their own campus (contrast to Pomona-Claremont-Harvey Mudd etc where students feel LIMITED by the 20% rule.) While I'm sure Amherst students are brilliant on tests, they just didn't seem to have any spark. I was left feeling that Amherst attracts students who are very beholden to the rules, who are seen but not heard. Based my (admittedly limited) 3-hour snap shot, if Williams is a little outside the box, Amherst IS the box. It is much too stuffy for a West Coaster. Perhaps I caught them on a bad day.</p>

<p>Clueless, all of our chatter means nothing compared to what you could learn by visiting yourself. If you can't visit, talk to as many alumni as you can. Every college leaves a personality stamp on its students in speech, logic patterns, dress, and valuation of success. When you meet an alum, ask yourself, "Do I want to turn out like that?" Best of luck. This is not easy.</p>

<p>Wow - 60% of Middlebury students marry fellow Midd students?! That seems like a huge %.</p>

<p>well i did visit all the schools, but it was in the summer. Also, I liked them all, but I also found flaws in all of them. Therefore, i thought it would be good to adk others.</p>

<p>Yeah I heard 70% of williams students marry other ephs....virtually all of the nescacs (except Amherst..since all the guys only pay attention to the Moho girls) claim some ridiculous percentage. I would think most of them are exaggerated though.</p>

<p>Seriously though, I think the three schools share far more similarities than differences. The student bodies are much more interchangeable than JustCallmeMom makes them out to be. </p>

<p>I'm a middkid and love it here. But Amherst was my first choice. I was deferred ED and WL'd RD....so go figure.</p>

<p>I chose Midd over Williams. Several of my friends made the same decision . Just go with your gut.</p>

<p>My source for Middlebury intermarriage is Students' Guide to Colleges 2006, Goldman and Buyers, page 341. It is in print, but I can't comment on the truth of it. It's interesting to hear about the Ephs....The mail just came, and my daughter was just accepted to Williams early decision! I guess now I'm officially biased.</p>