Which Ivy (Princeton, Harvard, Columbia) would be best for pre-med

I was thinking of doing pre-med but am not 100% certain because I know many people switch out once they start their pre-med track at under grad. Which school out of Harvard, Princeton, Columbia would be the most flexible, and (for lack of a better term) easiest to have a good chance at getting above a 3.5 gpa if I choose to stick to the pre-med track? Which would help me get into medical school the best?

Sorry if I am misunderstanding anything about the premed route, I was just looking for advice regarding this.

Harvard. It is the easiest of those three. Good luck!

None of them. Your best chance of medical is your own home state because public medical schools give preference to state residents. Which means, you need to keep the debt down, since medical school is horrendously expensive.

That’s assuming you even choose it in the first place. Doctor is a popular dream out of high school, but almost none of them actually go to medical school. You discover hidden passions in college. The average college student changes their major 3 times. Just enter college with an open mind.

Until you have an acceptance in hand from all three universities it is a moot point.

You do not need to go to a prestigious undergrad school to be accepted to med school…in fact, the name of the undergrad school is not an important part of the med school admissions process.

Specifically with regard to the 3 schools you mention, do your research. Understand how Columbia’s core might impact your GPA and any potential issues of combining the core with med school pre-reqs. I agree with the above poster that Harvard probably has the highest average GPA of this group…but the trick is getting accepted to a school with a 5% acceptance rate.

Some selected pre-med considerations to research at any school:

What would you major in?
What’s the availability of opportunities for med school required ECs (patient facing experience, physician shadowing, volunteer roles, research)
Does the school publish average/range of GPAs by course?
What type of pre-health advisory services does the school offer?

Understand what your family can pay each year for college. Med school is expensive and most students take out at least some loans to fund it…so minimize undergrad loans.

As with any college search, make sure you apply to a range of schools…several reaches, a handful of matches, and at least one affordable safety. Spend more time identifying matches and safeties, as it’s statistically likely that the school you will attend is in one of those categories.

Good luck.

Thanks for the responses guys. I understand that a state school would be best for minimizing debt, but as one of you said, many people switch our of pre med. in that case wouldn’t going to one of these schools be “better” as it opens more doors?

“in that case wouldn’t going to one of these schools be “better” as it opens more doors?”

Open doors is really a function of what you major in rather than the school you go to. and it varies widely from industry to industry. For medical school…no. They look at grades and MCAT scores. If you’re getting an engineering degree, you can find an entry level job just as easily at a state university. For computers, after 3 years experience, employers don’t give a rat’s butt where you went to school as long as you’re a qualified candidate.

All those schools are great if you offramp from premed and want to change directions while leaving your options open. Of the three, Harvard still probably comes out on top for “opening doors,” although of course we are splitting hairs and 90%+ of your ultimate outcome will be determined by you alone, not whether your diploma says Harvard, Princeton or Columbia.

As others have mentioned, the trick is getting into any one of them…

And of course your family needs to be comfortable with the finances.

Good luck!

@allaroundz have you gotten into all three or merely considering applying?

Harvard’s famous grade inflation makes Harvard the easiest of the three here.

Though personally I’d go for a more undergrad focused college for the smaller class sizes, better rapport with profs, opportunities which for me makes an elite college education worthwhile (and I don’t mean just in terms of money)…

That in mind, I personally would take Princeton on your list over the other two. Dartmouth and Brown could also be considered here.

I have recently gotten recruited for Princeton, the choice was out of those three.

Either Princeton or Harvard.

Harvard pluses: easier grading, closer to internships in Boston.
Princeton pluses: better alumni network, better student life.

Are you being recruited for sports? You may need to choose between your sports dream and your pre-med dream. Depending on the sport it may not be possible to cross-schedule labs and practices.

If your goal is admission to medical school, first of all, you need to understand that “premed” is not a major. For admission to med school, you need to have excellent grades in two years of chemistry, one year of biology, and one year of Physics, all with lab. You also need a year of English. Some schools also want a year of Calculus, or Statistics (which is much more useful, in my opinion, because you need Stat to understand validity of studies). You also need excellent scores on the MCAT. Most importantly, you need a field of major study that makes them want to admit you. Believe it or not, although the majority of those admitted to med school majored in fields like Biology and Chemistry (because the majority who apply majored in those fields), the highest rate of acceptance goes to people who majored in other fields totally unrelated to medicine - music, art, languages, political science, anything that made them seem like they would be a decent human being who would become a compassionate, communicative physician.

I think that schools do understand that those coming from highly competitive schools did have to work harder and learn more in order to get an A, than those coming from middle of the road schools, or local state colleges. But you have to consider, where can YOU do extremely well? If you’re going to be a B student at the Ivy, but would be a superstar at your flagship state U or your local state college, it might be better for you to choose the flagship state U. Sure, straight A’s at an Ivy looks better than straight A’s at down the street local branch state college - but it’s a lot harder to get straight A’s in premed courses at the Ivy.

I have seen so many students who entered as premeds at highly competitive very selective schools wind up abandoning premed, because the classes were so competitive that they couldn’t do well. They would have gotten straight A’s at a lesser school, and gotten into a mid-level med school, and become doctors, gotten into residencies that they desired.

Me? I went to an Ivy. Studied what I wanted to - which was an obscure field having nothing to do with medicine. Did okay in premed courses, did very well on the MCATs. I remember an interviewer asking how a person who got B/C in Organic was able to get a nearly perfect score in Chem on the MCAT, and I told them, “Look. I went to an Ivy. The course was very tough. But clearly, I learned the material.” I got into that school. I got into every school I applied to, because they saw me as an interesting and unusual candidate - not another Bio or Chem major. And my grades in my major were very good, because I was studying what I loved.

So, think about what you love to learn about. Go to the school that offers you the best opportunity to study what you love, or to explore to find what you love. If the premed courses at the school you wind up at are so killer cut throat that you’re thinking about giving up the idea of med school, then DON’T TAKE THEM THERE. Take your premed courses at your local state college during the summer, and study what you love at your Ivy. Or do what you love in college, and then do a postbac year at the local cheap state college to get your premed prereqs done. If what you want is to be a basic science researcher/MD-PhD, then choose the school that gives you the best opportunity to get involved in basic science research. Same goes for if what you want is to be a clinical researcher, or to work in public health policy, or to improve healthcare or health policy in the third world. But if you just want to be a doctor, honestly, it doesn’t matter where you go to college, as long as your grades and MCATs are good enough, and you can come across as a human being who they want to admit.

Thank you for your insight.

I was thinking of probably majoring in something unrelated such as business or engineering, and just wanted to leave a pre med track open in case I wanted to pursue it. I would start of with some of the pre med courses, and see if I could handle it and if not, at least I tried

Another thing to keep in mind is that among the eight Ivies four of them have schools in undergrad that make it difficult to transfer among majors. For example, its not easy to switch between engineering and art programs. You start as different majors at Penn, Princeton, Columbia and Cornell, while at the other four Ivies you can major in anything and switch as often.