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engineers are usually really bad at maths. But economists are really a lot worse.
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Hah yeah right - an Economist is someone with a Ph.D in Economics, and that ain't easy to get, it involves a lot of advanced math. Many, if not most Economists actually studied Math for Undergrad, not Econ, so they have Math degrees as well as their Econ Ph.D's...if you consider that easy, you must be some kind of genius. Which I guess is possible, but not likely.</p>
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an Economist is someone with a Ph.D in Economics
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Not really, an economist is a person with a degree in economics, not necessarily a PHD.</p>
<p>And yeah, I consider the maths you need for a math major easy but that isn't the point.</p>
<p>And you are probably talking about finance when you talk about economists needing a lot of math.</p>
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Not really, an economist is a person with a degree in economics, not necessarily a PHD.</p>
<p>And yeah, I consider the maths you need for a math major easy but that isn't the point.</p>
<p>And you are probably talking about finance when you talk about economists needing a lot of math.
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Are you kidding? An economist is not any idiot off the street who took a couple of Econ classes, an Economist is an expert in economics, they are eligible to teach Econ at universities, generally required to have Ph.D's in Economics, and have strong Math backgrounds. If you think any person in the business world is an Economist, you're really off (although many economists do work in those fields). </p>
<p>If you take a couple Biology classes, are you a Biologist? Nope. No offense, but maybe you shouldn't talk about the math Economists deal with considering you didn't even know what an economist is. Having a BA/BS in Econ doesn't make you an Economist any more than a BS in Physics makes you a Physicist.</p>
<p>If you don't believe me, get a BA in Econ and go to a college, and try to get hired as a Professor or Researcher - see if they take you :) Oh wait, those jobs are for economists...</p>
<p>At my school?
Finance, Accounting, Biology, Chemistry.
But if you ask me, the folks in the business school (which encompasses Finance and Accounting) have a sense of self-entitlement. </p>
<p>People tend to look down upon humanities majors (such as myself) as an easy major, but at least I actually like what I am studying ;)</p>
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People tend to look down upon humanities majors (such as myself) as an easy major, but at least I actually like what I am studying
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What makes you think everyone else doesn't? It seems like Humanities majors often think they alone enjoy their majors and everything else sucks, but most people are glad to give up English Lit and History after High school - hate to break it to ya, but a lot of people hate the Humanities and are more than happy to give them up in college. </p>
<p>That's not me, personally - I'm interested in History, which a lot of people find REALLY boring, but I actually like it a lot and find things like Chem boring. But I have to admit History is a relatively easy subject compared to Chem.</p>
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Are you kidding? An economist is not any idiot off the street who took a couple of Econ classes, an Economist is an expert in economics, they are eligible to teach Econ at universities, generally required to have Ph.D's in Economics, and have strong Math backgrounds. If you think any person in the business world is an Economist, you're really off (although many economists do work in those fields). </p>
<p>If you take a couple Biology classes, are you a Biologist? Nope. No offense, but maybe you shouldn't talk about the math Economists deal with considering you didn't even know what an economist is. Having a BA/BS in Econ doesn't make you an Economist any more than a BS in Physics makes you a Physicist.</p>
<p>If you don't believe me, get a BA in Econ and go to a college, and try to get hired as a Professor or Researcher - see if they take you Oh wait, those jobs are for economists...
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You obviously do not know what you are talking about, this is littered with quotes like these:
[url=<a href="http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos055.htm#earnings/%5DEconomists%5B/url">http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos055.htm#earnings/]Economists[/url</a>]
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<p>Can you find any source which says that only Phd's are called economists? I can find plenty which agrees with my definition. </p>
<p>Also:
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If you take a couple Biology classes, are you a Biologist? Nope. No offense, but maybe you shouldn't talk about the math Economists deal with considering you didn't even know what an economist is. Having a BA/BS in Econ doesn't make you an Economist any more than a BS in Physics makes you a Physicist.
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Actually you do become a physicist from a bachelor and a biologist from a bachelor, even if you are the lowest ranking one. Or strictly speaking, that is a more of a description of what they work with, but a person with a bachelor can start to work with those things.</p>
<p>I think that you are talking about being a professor in respective science, not just being a professional in it.</p>
<p>I have to second Molly. I hate Humanities classes. I'd rather take a boatload of math and sciences any day.</p>
<p>Plattsburgh - No I don't hate Humanities! I'm just saying many people do. I can't stand Art History/Literature though (I like art and reading btw)</p>
<p>Klockan - Do you seriously consider someone with a Bachelor's an expert in their field? Does having a BA in Psych make you a Psychologist? Does having a BA in Math make you a Mathematician? I've honestly never heard anyone say that before - I don't consider a BA in Biology to be a Biologist. </p>
<p>I'm sure there are people out there with BA's who consider themselves experts in their field, even if they're not - but I'm an Econ major and my Econ teachers in HS and Profs in college have taught me that an Economist was someone with a doctorate in Econ. My HS Econ teacher had a Master's in the subject and he said he certainly didn't consider himself an Economist, but my current Econ prof, who has a Ph.D, does consider himself one. Sorry, but I don't consider someone with just a Bachelor's to be an expert in their field, and neither does any decent university in the country. Try going to a college - even an average state college - and getting hired as a researcher in any field with just a Bachelor's. It won't work.</p>
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What makes you think everyone else doesn't? It seems like Humanities majors often think they alone enjoy their majors and everything else sucks, but most people are glad to give up English Lit and History after High school - hate to break it to ya, but a lot of people hate the Humanities and are more than happy to give them up in college.
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<p>Our undergraduate business school has the #1 academic rating in the country, but we are only ranked #14 overall, because the student survey is less than ideal, because those kids love to ***** about their huge workloads and how hard crunching numbers is. </p>
<p>Plus, whenever I walk by Calloway (our business school) it just reeks capitalism, which I find to be quite unappealing.</p>
<p>Also people often call students the names they will be called after they graduate, like a physics major might be called a physicist and an engineer major might be called engineer, as evident of posts earlier in this topic unrelated to mine.</p>
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Do you seriously consider someone with a Bachelor's an expert in their field? Does having a BA in Psych make you a Psychologist? Does having a BA in Math make you a Mathematician? I've honestly never heard anyone say that before - I don't consider a BA in Biology to be a Biologist.
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There is a huge difference between expert and professional. They are certainly professionals though and I got all evidence on my side so you were wrong, face it. Professional is a person who works in the field, that is it, technically they don't even need a degree but most jobs require one. Being a physicist/economist/biologist/chemist is abour working with those subjects, not being an expert at those subjects, although they are an expert compared to the average citizen.</p>
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Plattsburgh - No I don't hate Humanities! I'm just saying many people do. I can't stand Art History/Literature though (I like art and reading btw)
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<p>No, I know what you meant. But I earnestly hate it. I like the subjects themselves (history, art, literature) but every last instructor (I've had, at least) manages to make them thoroughly boring and completely based on not what's correct/wrong, but on their preferences.
So if I take the same assignment to a different instructor, I get a completely different grade.</p>
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No, I know what you meant. But I earnestly hate it. I like the subjects themselves (history, art, literature) but every last instructor (I've had, at least) manages to make them thoroughly boring and completely based on not what's correct/wrong, but on their preferences.
So if I take the same assignment to a different instructor, I get a completely different grade.
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That is the best thing about the hard sciences, there is very small leeway for professor bias.</p>
<p>Being a lab assistant in a research facility doesn't make you a Biologist, having a Psych degree and being a therapist doesn't make you a psychologist, and having an Econ bachelor's and working in Business or whatever doesn't make you an Economist - however, all those jobs, therapist, lab assistant, and businessperson are professional. </p>
<p>I guess you're free to believe what you like, and if you want to think that graduating from college with a BA in Econ or whatever degree you're getting makes you an Economist, then you can think that...good luck getting hired as an economist though.</p>
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Being a lab assistant in a research facility doesn't make you a Biologist, having a Psych degree and being a therapist doesn't make you a psychologist, and having an Econ bachelor's and working in Business or whatever doesn't make you an Economist - however, all those jobs, therapist, lab assistant, and businessperson are professional. </p>
<p>I guess you're free to believe what you like, and if you want to think that graduating from college with a BA in Econ or whatever degree you're getting makes you an Economist, then you can think that...good luck getting hired as an economist though.
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Give me a single quote supporting your view and we might talks, otherwise I will assume that you just continue talking bs.</p>
<p>Edit: The thing is that internet discussions never lead anywhere if you can't prove your stance, all you have given me are empty words which I can disprove through quoting outside sources, yet you try to fight my sources using just your own definition of the word.</p>
<p>I can give you more quotes:
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economist%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economist</a>
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<p>And why are "Economist career options" listed under undergraduate information, together with them labeling that many economists are taking masters after they graduate:
<a href="http://www.economics.ualberta.ca/careers.cfm%5B/url%5D">http://www.economics.ualberta.ca/careers.cfm</a>
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It is quite obvious that you don't need a PHD to be called an economist.</p>
<p>Klockan3 - No offense, but why can't you handle the fact that we disagree? Seems like everyone on this website is so argumentative. You believe that a Bachelors in Econ makes you an Economist, I don't - there's nothing to discuss, it's called disagreeing. I'm gonna go by what I've been taught in high school/college and what my professsors believe. But if you're really into it and want to know that you're absolutely without a doubt correct, go to the Econ dept in your college tomorrow, and ask any Econ professor whether they consider their former students who have BA's Economists. While you're at it, ask the Psych dept if they consider Psych BA's Psychologists, and the Math dept whether they consider Math BS's Mathematicians.
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So if I take the same assignment to a different instructor, I get a completely different grade.
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Oh my gosh, that bothers me so much - I took Writing last semester with a professor who was a tough grader and I had to work hard for B+/A- grades, and this semester I'm doing way less work and cruising by with A's - it totally depends on the prof when it comes to stuff like writing.</p>
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ou believe that a Bachelors in Econ makes you an Economist, I don't - there's nothing to discuss, it's called disagreeing.
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There are rights and wrongs, the definition used by most are what we use, your definition is wrong and you must have misunderstood something along the way.</p>
<p>Read my edit, every link everywhere and every place I searched on stated that you don't need a phd to be called an economist, you might disagree but then you disagree with the world and not with me. As long as you can't find any backing to your point on the net you are wrong, thats the only way to settle discussions. </p>
<p>And the reason I go so strongly against you is because you went so strongly against me in the first place thinking that you where 100% correct, and then you continued to argue without any form of backing which is why this isn't settled a long time ago. You can't argue with empty words like you do, it doesn't get any where.</p>
<p>Hahaha Molly-Writing the ****ing Essay? Hahah, I tell you, that class is the 11th circle of hell. "RECKON WITH THE EVIDENCE!!!" Do what with what evidence? What the hell are you talking about??? :confused:</p>
<p>Klockan3 - wow if you're this annoying in real life I feel sorry for you. Stop being an obsessive freak and making a big deal over one comment. If you're REALLY into this, as you appear to be, go to the Econ dept at your university and ask the experts yourself, any idiot can write what they like on Wikipedia. If they say yes, a BA in Econ makes you an Economist - congrats, you've won, you can have your cookie and eat it too! But I don't consider anyone with a Bachelor's in Math to be a Mathematician, or in Bio to be a Biologist - like i said, you're free to believe whatever you feel like. </p>
<p>NYUstudent - Ugh ohmygod this is why I hate being a freshman! But luckily I won't have to deal with it after this year. Although I'll probably take another writing class down the road, i've heard it's a good idea for pre-Law students...but still, I think Writing classes in general really depend on the professor. An average student can be brilliant in one class and a retard in the next.</p>
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Klockan3 - wow if you're this annoying in real life I feel sorry for you. Stop being an obsessive freak and making a big deal over one comment. If you're REALLY into this, as you appear to be, go to the Econ dept at your university and ask the experts yourself, any idiot can write what they like on Wikipedia. If they say yes, a BA in Econ makes you an Economist - congrats, you've won, you can have your cookie and eat it too!
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Well, you don't let it go either, and you should notice that I linked other sources as well, not just wikipedia, and even though wikipedia is written by random people it is still the most reliable encyclopedia in the world and therefore a ton more reliable than a random forum poster (Aka you).</p>
<p>But of course since you continue to refuse to quote your facts this argumentation is over, you can't argue with someone who refuse to acknowledge the fact that they might be wrong. If you look it up and can show me support for your view I will accept that, but most likely you tried to look it up and found evidence of my claims and then just try to fight it out by calling me names etc.</p>
<p>If I found any evidence of your claims I would have stopped a long time ago as well, but I just hate provocative people like you trying to act as if they know something and then attacks random posters based on that and then refuse to actually argue about it.</p>
<p>And since you obviously lack any understanding on how people argue on the net the first job I have is to teach you that, otherwise we will not get anywhere. The reason we use quotes is because without quotes it will always just degenerate into a post war where both sides can't prove anything but still claim that the other side is wrong.</p>
<p>I have posted my proofs, you have posted nothing, just a bunch of ad hominem.</p>
<p>Oh, my~! Smirking sounds so naughty. Like it's a perverted act... :o</p>