<p>The OP asked what range of schools people consider elite. I fail to see how i-banking/mgt consulting/hedge fund recruiting firms’ favorite schools has anything to do with “eliteness.” It implies that those positions / industries are more important than any other position / industry. IOW, I think a school could be completely off the radar as far as Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Bain, etc. are concerned and still <em>absolutely</em> be termed elite or prestigious.</p>
<p>elitism:
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<p>^^ Pizzagirl, this is CC. The average American could care less about those firms. </p>
<p>Top-ranked schools will always vary across disciplines. Thankfully, even the elite schools listed on this forum offer a wide variety of departments and programs outside the narrow world of business, law, and medicine. People outside these fields can have fulfilling lives.</p>
<p>It’s M-O-N-Y dad</p>
<p>not $$$$</p>
<p>Latest Directors’ Cup Standings</p>
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<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Rice</li>
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<p>Hawkette, how do your Notre Dame, Vanderbilit, Nortwestern and Rice schools compare to some of the Ivies in quality of Athletic Programs again?</p>
<p>JA,
My pointing out that other schools do a superior job to the Ivies in offering a better blend of academics, social life and athletic life is not anti-Ivy. It’s pro-Stanford, Duke et al. </p>
<p>I know that you don’t like it when others express a viewpoint that concludes that the Ivy colleges are not the best, but that is just the reality for students looking for this combination of top academics, great social life and highly entertaining/nationally relevant athletics. In the same way that if a student wants to play or watch national caliber squash or fencing, he/she would be ill-advised to attend Rice. </p>
<p>As for how the Ivies would compete with the likes of Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Notre Dame in nationally relevant sports like football, basketball, and baseball, is this a serious question? In most cases (Rice being the only exception), I don’t think it would be close. </p>
<p>Btw, you should know that my argument for Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt and Notre Dame is not based on their athletic prowess, but rather their athletic life. I like the scene and the fun that it provides. Perhaps you have not been to a real college football game. Try it sometime—it’s a lot of fun and a major event on these campuses. It’s a world of difference going to a Stanford-Cal “Big Game” than there is in seeing Princeton play U Penn.</p>
<p>hawkette so now it is not the overall athletic programs that you claim are the reason why would would choose Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Northwestern and Rice over the Ivies…</p>
<p>now you claim that it is “nationally relevant sports like football, basketball and baseball”.</p>
<p>oh ok…</p>
<p>yep that is a reason to choose Rice over Harvard, Princeton and Yale</p>
<p>hawkette, but what we want to know is the excitement of those Rice football games…</p>
<p>tell us more about them</p>
<p>after all, you do claim that Rice is a much better undergraduate school than Harvard, Yale and Princeton because of their great Football games don’t you?</p>
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<p>JA,
Nice distortions. Is that all you’ve got? Didn’t they teach you anything more effective than that at your supposedly so-far-superior school? LOL. I can see why you like investment banking-with weak arguments like that, you’d never make it in law school. </p>
<p>My interest in athletic life is longstanding and I have frequently posted in favor of using this as a differentiating factor between the undergraduate experience at various schools. There is a BIG difference between the Stanford, Duke et al group and the Ivies.</p>
<p>You’ve shown yourself to be a voracious reader of others’ past posts. May I suggest that you do the same with my previous comments. mony gave you the threads. Start reading. </p>
<p>Re Rice, I noted that its athletic life is not as big as the others as it is not as strong in football and basketball. Rice, however, is renown for its baseball program and annually is among the nation’s finest in this sport that is contested by over 300 Division I programs. Presently the Owls are ranked 21st in the USA.</p>
<p>Hawkette, I spent a couple of years at Stanford and watched all of its home football games, including the Cal game.</p>
<p>Believe me, the Princeton/Yale or Princeton/Harvard game at home at Princeton is every bit as exciting as the Stanford/Cal game.</p>
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<p>hawkette, please please please don’t tell me that one of the main reasons that you would favor Rice over Harvard, Princeton and Yale because of the quality of Rice’s baseball team?</p>
<p>please don’t tell us this.</p>
<p>Do you realize how few spectators watch college baseball?</p>
<p>It is a fact that not many of the students at colleges these days attend their baseball games…</p>
<p>now lets talk about Princeton Lacrosse</p>
<p>do you realize that this year a Princeton/Syracuse Lacrosse game was attended by 26,000 spectators at Giants Stadium?</p>
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<p>While I disagree with hawkette over the importance of athletic life / boosterism, what’s it to you, Johnadams, if a high school senior chooses Rice over Harvard, Princeton or Yale? How does it affect you in any way, shape or form? What is with the neediness that everyone <em>has</em> to choose or prefer your school over others?</p>
<p>Just a few facts for you to compare the home attendance at Princeton and Stanford:</p>
<p>10,189 Princeton vs Harvard
8966 Princeton vs U Penn</p>
<p>50,150 Stanford vs Cal</p>
<p>Btw, Stanford was ranked 14th in the USA at the time of this game and the game was televised nationally. Also , according to USA Today, Stanford finished the year at # 29. Princeton was # 213.</p>
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<p>You make a lot of appeals to “what other people do.” If I’m a student deciding among schools, and I happen to want to watch baseball, what difference does it make that not everyone else does? It’s along the lines of “other people choose X over Y, so therefore I should choose X over Y, too.” Who makes decisions based on what <em>other</em> people think?</p>
<p>Pizzagirl and what is it to YOU what I say?</p>
<p>I SEE THAT YOU ARE ON THE ATTACK AGAIN EH?</p>
<p>Is this not a message board to debate these things?</p>
<p>Since you disagree with hawkette over the importance of athletic life / boosterism, what’s it to you, Pizzagirl, if a high school kid chooses one school over the other? How does it affect you in any way, shape or form? What is with the neediness that everyone <em>has</em> to choose or prefer your school over others?</p>
<p>hawkette, and this proves what?</p>
<p>this proves that a student should attend Notre Dame, Northwestern, Vanderbilt and Rice over Harvard, Princeton and Yale?</p>
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<p>^It proves they dont value study time as much</p>
<p>Pizzagirl should we review again how you have been attacking young high school kids for pursuing their dreams of becoming Investment Bankers, Consultants and large public corporation employees?</p>
<p>Why do YOU care if a high school kid wants to take this path?</p>
<p>Not only does someone have an anger problem, but I think I sense ADD as well… :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I’ll try to ignore JA’s irritations and suggest to the reader that he/she consider the undergraduate experience at Rice in comparison with those on offer in the Ivy League. If your guiding force is to land a job in investment banking in NYC, your path is likely to be easier coming from an Ivy college. Otherwise, I urge you to consider Rice and compare its many charms to any of the aforementioned colleges, Ivy or otherwise. For undergraduate education, it is an exceptional place. And going to the games of their nationally ranked baseball team is a pretty fun bonus.</p>
<p>JohnAdams, I challenge you to a duel of sorts, prove to me why Duke should not be grouped with Stanford. Go for it I want to see some reasoning to. And don’t be a POS and say that its above you, bc honestly you have proven that you have nothing better to do than type up novels on CC. Seriously 1600+ posts in 4 months. So go! Do your best. I can guarantee you I can find more similarities.</p>