<p>Out of the probably 20 rankings of universities ive seen, only one has Stanford ranked behind Dook…Dook kids want to be elitists, but they arent capable…because they dont attend an elite school</p>
<p>andy_college09: you’re just digging yourself a deeper hole. I’d get out while I can. This thread is quite painful to read really. Seems like all threads turn into a prestige pi**ing match. I think we can all agree that we’re all talking about fine institutions. One can get a great education on go on to doing great things at numerous schools across the country. But the ones we’re talking about here - placed like Princeton, Stanford, Rice, Duke, etc. all are the cream of the crop. People look for different things in a college and one school might be a better fit even if it’s seemingly less prestigious. </p>
<p>Having said all that, I think it’s pretty indisputable that HYPSM are above all other school in the nation when it comes to prestige, ability to attract top students and faculty, and ability to pour millions of dollars into research and facilities. Schools like Johns Hopkins, Rice, and Duke, while certainly great, are a step below. Now that doesn’t mean that HYPSM are better schools that everybody should choose if he or she gets in. But rather, those five have distinguished themselves as the top of the top of the US academic system. I don’t know how anybody could dispute otherwise, unless you’re talking about a specific department/major. As a whole, they beat all others on pretty much every academic and prestige criteria. </p>
<p>Again, it’s certainly possible that an individual could be happier attending Brown over Harvard and I’d see nothing wrong with making that choice. But still, those five are super duper elite. The schools that are 6-15 in the nation or so are pretty much interchangeable and are great schools - but are a notch below when it comes to “prestige” and financial resources. Duke is certainly less than Stanford in this regard; I don’t how you could argue otherwise. Even Duke’s own school newspaper has an article titled “Duke still step below top schools”, referring to HYPSM. [Duke</a> still step below top schools | The Chronicle](<a href=“http://dukechronicle.com/article/duke-still-step-below-top-schools]Duke”>Duke still step below top schools - The Chronicle)</p>
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<p>That’s ridiculous. To say Duke isn’t an “elite school” is a joke. To say it’s not as elite as Stanford is certainly reasonable. Being elite isn’t everything though, especially coming from somebody who calls other schools sh**. Duke is undoubtedly one of the top 15 or 20 most selective and respective institutions in the nation. In a country with thousands of schools, I’d certainly say that qualifies as elite. In the end, though, it matters much more about the individual than it does the school. There have been numerous long-term longitudinal studies that examined students from high school to the success after being in a workforce for 5+ years. They determined that those students who chose public state schools over extremely selective private institutions (specifically Ivy League schools; and mostly for financial reasons) turned out to be just as successful as those that chose the latter group. Really only high school seniors care so much about prestige. You’ll learn that it doesn’t matter so much when you get into the real world, unless you go into i-banking…That particular industry does seem to care more than any other.</p>
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<p>So, JA, you would undoubtedly characterize Rice, Grinnell and Wellesley as being far more elite than Penn, Columbia and Brown, correct? Just want to make sure here.</p>
<p>ik HYPSM and in my opinion C are head and shoulders above the others. I would have picked one of them had I gotten in (minus M and C bc im not an engineer didnt even bother applying). I’m not ashamed to admit it. Thats not my point. I want to see what JohnAdams can do. If you read my post earlier you would easily be able to understand that. I just want to see what JA is made of.</p>
<p>Bluedog, well stated, excellent summation, and thanks for the superb article. An admission by Duke’s own, that pretty much ends it. Of course, it’s stating the obvious, at Johns Hopkins, an admissions dean was quoted as saying the same thing about JHU…t’s ok, Hopkins alumnae didn’t get upset…Duke is no different… I think andy should just take his lumps and move on…otherwise, he’ll only appear childish, and out of touch with reality.</p>
<p>Duke v. Stanford - Is it even close?
<a href=“second%20in%20a%20series%20of%20200%20posted%20messages%20comparing%20Duke%20to%20Stanford”>I</a>*</p>
<p>Quality of faculty in Sciences and Math Fields</p>
<p>Here we have Stanford ranked third with 124 faculty that have been selected to membership in the prestigious National Academy of Sciences. Lowly Duke, on the other hand barely has only 18 faculty as members, 7 times less than Stanford. Duke is ranked 23rd in the following table.</p>
<p># National Academy of Science members, school:
151 , Harvard
130 , Berkeley
124 , Stanford
113 , MIT
73 , Princeton
72 , CalTech
65 , UCSD
58 , Yale
45 , Univ. of Washington
44 , Columbia
41 , Wisconsin
39 , Cornell
39 , Univ. of Chicago
34 , UCLA
28 , U Penn
28 , NYU
28 , UCSB
26 , Illinois
23 , U Michigan
22 , UC Irvine
21 , Johns Hopkins
20 , UC Davis
18 , Duke</p>
<p>The quality of Duke’s faculty in the field of Sciences and Math is so far behind from that of Stanford’s that it hardly needs to be discussed further.</p>
<p>next up, the quality of Engineering faculty</p>
<p>pizzagirl, stop acting like a child here. you know very well that in the comparison of Stanford v. Duke, using the endowment per student is but one of the many metrics that will prove that Duke is not in the same “group” as Stanford, as challenged by the Duke sophomore AndyCollege.</p>
<p>so stop with your attacks as you continue to make a fool of yourself here. Say, tell us again how you were attacking high school kids for dreaming of being investment bankers, hedge funders, consultants and hoping to being a CEO of a public company someday.</p>
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<p>I am not saying Duke is comparable to Stanford, but a list that has Hopkins so far below UCSD, UCSB, and UC Irvine, has I am guessing, issues with respect to normalizing for size.</p>
<p>andycollege, so now we know…you failed to get into Stanford and the other top schools and managed to barely get accepted to Duke, although by your own admission would have loved to have gone to Stanford…and as you are finishing your freshman year at Duke, you still dream at night how it would have been to attend Stanford because you are not enjoying Duke so much. So now you are attempting to rationalize your enrollment at your 7 th choice of school by formally challenging someone on a message board to convince you why Duke is so much worse than Stanford…</p>
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<p>Brookly, yes you are correct, the analysis should be done on a member faculty per overall faculty basis, but Stanford would be so much far ahead of Duke anyway, that I completed the table with total faculty members.</p>
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<p>in my opinion, the definition of elite is whatever includes boston college. i dont care how many schools that includes, so along as BC is up there with georgetown UVA Hopkins etc;</p>
<p>Duke v. Stanford - Is it even close?
<a href=“third%20in%20a%20series%20of%20200%20posted%20messages%20comparing%20Duke%20to%20Stanford”>I</a>*</p>
<p>Quality of faculty in Engineering Field</p>
<p>Here we have Stanford ranked 2nd with 92 faculty that have been selected to membership in the prestigious National Academy of Engineering. Lowly Duke, on the other hand barely has only 3 faculty as members, 31 times less than Stanford. Duke is not even in the top 50 colleges and universities in the quality of its engineering faculty.</p>
<p>Number of faculty members in the National Academy of Engineering
114 - MIT
92 - Stanford
77 - UC Berkeley
48 - Univ. of Texas
31 - CalTech
29 - Illinois
26 - Georgia Tech
25 - Princeton
25 - Cornell
25 - Carnegie Mellon
23 - USC
22 - UCSB
21 - Michigan
20 - UCSD
20 - Northwestern
19 - Harvard
19 - UCLA
18 - Purdue
16 - Columbia
16 - Univ. of Washington
16 - Minnesota
14 - Maryland
13 - Texas A&M
12 - Rice
11 - Virginia
11 - Unv. of Colorado
11 - Ohio State
10 - Lehigh
10 - Arizona
10 - Virginia Tech
9 - Univ.of Penn
9 - UC Davis
9 - Arizona State
9 - Penn State
8 - UC Irvine
8 - Rutgers
8 - Case Western
8 - NC State
7 - Johns Hopkins
7 - RPI
7 - Delaware
7 - Florida
7 - Utah
6 - Yale
6 - Iowa State
6 - UMass
5 - UNC
5 - Houston
5 - NYU
5 - Rochester
4 - Brown
4 - Drexel
4 - Kansas
3 - Duke</p>
<p>ah yes, but Stanford can’t compare in the number of Lacrosse team members put on trial…</p>
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<p>Zero? The case never went to trial…They were declared innocent by the attorney general before it went to trial…</p>
<p>GoBlueJays, I hear the lacrosse players at JHU are angels…</p>
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<p>Yeah, and they just got destroyed by Duke 18-5 in the NCAAs…</p>
<p>Just a statistical joke, since we’re comparing lists. </p>
<p>Actually, despite my screen name, I dislike Lax, and Hopkins Lax, for that matter.</p>
<p>I hear it was pretty nasty on campus for a while, with Lax players’ pictures posted on signboards, asking them to come forward with info. The Lax coach was forced out, and then Duke denied it. Players got failing grades, and sued. Is this how Duke protects its students?</p>
<p>Need i point out that the low rank of Hopkins is even MORE glaring on the engineering list?</p>
<p>And its not just a size normalization question any more either. RPI ties Hopkins, and more or less soundly beats Rochester. </p>
<p>Now DD is going to RPI (but for Arch, not engineering) so I am all for tooting RPI’s horn, but is it really a match for Hopkins in engineering, and soundly ahead of UR?</p>
<p>Watch those numbersfor NAE members at USC. They have been known to job them!</p>
<p>JohnAdam, you rock. No contest when truth is on your side 
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