Who are being "flipped" here?

https://www.chicagomaroon.com/article/2019/4/10/flipped-classroom-grad-students/

So my questions are:

  1. Is the professor still available?
  2. How do you check attendance? Anyone can login in the CNet account and open the lecture window and then open another window to watch YouTube.
  3. An attendance of 20 to 25%? You mean 3/4 of the whole class miss the lecture?

I am not sure I like this “flipped” format, especially if you are a full pay parent. But I am willing to listen to feedback from current students…

Three of my kids had at least one high school math course that was flipped. Two liked the format, one did not care for it. The lecture was on video, and class time was spent working on the problem sets. The advantage is that you can rewind the lecture to reinforce something you didn’t get at first. Maybe a disadvantage is lack of ability to hear or ask questions or really interact at all with the instructor. It also might not work for a certain learning style or feel too “casual” to some who might psychologically respond better to a classroom environment - perhaps pay better attention, etc. On the other hand, plenty of kids love online learning and the flexibility to attend a lecture on your own time.

Phsc lectures don’t require attendance and some sections will have the notes available online so attending class may not even strictly be necessary. If the flipped format allows the instructor more time for meaningful interaction with the students, then I can see it as a decent option. Profs should opt for it if they think the students will get more out of the class, not because it’s a “time saver”. Education usually requires interfacing with another person at some point in order to realize progress.

So you’re paying $70k per year for the “right” to watch a video and be instructed by a grad student, all so the attendance rate is better than 25%? And it’s a “win” since it reduces cheating?

And why is this supposed to be one of the best schools in the country?

^ Uh oh @85bears46 - look what you’ve started LOL.

@JBStillFlying While I am a staunch U of C defender, it doesn’t mean I am blind to its faults and errors. But of course I won’t leap from one data point to a big conclusion. I leave that to high school kids.

Perhaps I missed it, but what % of courses utilize this “flipped” format?

Seems like several separate issues are relevant here. First, the previous course was poorly received, the syllabus didn’t incentivize attendance , and cheating wasn’t dealt with appropriately. The fact that Coursera is available to all doesn’t give students and parents the sense that they are getting their money’s worth.

@JBSeattle The Maroon article linked above mentioned only one class, albeit a popular Physical Science class. The Maroon article did not reference to what is the percentage of courses in the entire University that really use this “flipped” format.

As indicated in my discussion title post, I am waiting for current students who have actually gone through this format to voice their opinion.

Being “willing to listen to students” isn’t quite the same as asking students to answer.

Personally I am no fan of online classes (or online schools for that matter) however they may be a niche for them in the extremely large classes that are offered at most universities these days. When classes start to get into the 100’s of students, interaction with the professor starts to become extremely limited and therefore having an online lecture recorded is probably just as good as attending a lecture(maybe better for review purposes). Other than that the best learning comes from interaction with professors and classmates which goes to zero in online classes IMO.

Aside from the reasons discussed in the article, this is likely yet another way for UChicago to handle overenrollment. “Easy” core classes have become huge bottlenecks. Moving large proportions of the class to the internet takes some pressure away especially since UChicago doesn’t have any lecture halls larger than a 200ish.

And yeah, 3/4 of the class missed lecture lol - global warming is not a well attended class.

But it sounds like the flipped course took care of low attendance and the (presumably online) quizzes made sure that you at least opened up the video. If it was piloted and then implemented, they must have achieved the outcomes they were looking for.

Also, Global Warming sounds like an increasingly popular class and the flipped format can handle that increase - with no worries about the carbon footprint! Win-Win! Even more relevant, faculty prefer spending their time on their grad students to the college kids, and this format allows the university to increase the class size w/o assigning additional faculty or having Prof. Abbot teach additional sections.

There are so many options for PHSC that it’s difficult to see the harm here. No one is forced to take Global Warming. Everyone who registers should be informed as to the format because it’s reasonable to expect a human being will be teaching your course.

BTW, my kid took one of the astronomy sequences and had a tenured faculty member for both courses. Her galaxies prof. made himself available during the labs which she greatly appreciated. He was a very cool guy.

It’s just another educational fad that was hatched in the mind of some Education professor, based on their theories of how people SHOULD behave, based on models the behavior of one class of college students in of one major which the Professor happen to have access to. Because “student centered” is the university administrators’ current buzzword, they pickup up on it, and deans/provosts who should know better but never do, pressure faculty member to try it out.

There have been many of these hairbrained ideas. When the the most important thing for them was cutting instruction costs, MOOCs were the Next Big Thing.

  1. If you read to the end, the Maroon article makes clear that there are at least 4 other courses being taught in this format, one by the current teacher of Global Warming. As Hyde Snark says, they are all either Core or introductory non-major science courses. It's not just one course.
  2. I have been puzzled about Global Warming for years. I attended a mock class David Archer put on for a group of parents, and I loved it. I thought he was a really skilled lecturer, I learned a ton in the course of an hour, it made me very enthusiastic about Chicago. I wasn't the only one; other parents in the room were visibly vibrating with excitement.

I told my daughter about it, and got the exasperated eye-roll. She was currently taking the class itself as her last PhySci, and had almost nothing good to say about it. I gathered her main complaint was that it wasn’t hard enough. Merely being intrinsically interesting wasn’t enough, and Archer’s craft as a lecturer was held against him – too smooth, too packaged. (On the other hand, precisely because of the well-worn path that course took, it was ripe for being taught like this. Archer’s lectures probably didn’t vary more than a few words year to year.)

This may have been a case study in Chicago’s unique culture. To my Ivy-corrupted mind, an easy, entertaining non-major course where you actually learned something was like Nirvana. At Chicago, if you weren’t suffering for your knowledge, it wasn’t worth anything.

  1. None of my kids ever took a "flipped" course, but my daughter took a bizarre course in literary theory. The professor spent the first six weeks of the quarter in Vienna. During that time, the class only met a couple of times with a grad student TA, but everyone was supposed to be working on a big assignment, which was to turn an alphabetical list of books and articles into a syllabus for the course. They had a internet bulletin board like this one set up, and all the students and the professor were supposed to participate, discussing issues in creating the syllabus. Participation in the forum was effectively graded. Each student produced his own syllabus, but collaboration was encouraged, not penalized. The last four weeks of the course were traditional lecture/seminars after the professor returned to Chicago.

I thought that was kind of a brilliant course design, although as a paying parent I wasn’t too happy about the professor in Vienna part. My kid gave it the eye-roll, but remembered it more fondly when she got a really good grade in it.

“If you read to the end, the Maroon article makes clear that there are at least 4 other courses being taught in this format, one by the current teacher of Global Warming. As Hyde Snark says, they are all either Core or introductory non-major science courses. It’s not just one course.”

  • Whether three total or even four, it's still a small portion currently (that might change given the level of enthusiasm these profs have for the format). There are numerous options and sequences for (primarily) non-major science. The only concern I'd have is that there seems to be a section of Intro to Chem (presumably Chem 10100) that's flipped, and for some majors (neuro, for example), students might opt to get their chem. feet wet with "intro" rather than "comprehensive." Pre-reqs are different from non-major Core courses.

Does Global Warming even have a lab? My D’s two astronomy courses had labs and she happened to choose a sequence that kind of picked up where some of her AP Physics 1 had left off so that worked out well.

@JB StillFlying and @85bears46 and @JHS There is a decent amount of literature suggesting that the format can be efficacious especially in the context of STEM courses. Usually most professors employing it use a hybrid format, and since a human is in control, it depends on the human implementing it. But there are apparently cases where even those who get high evaluations in a pure lecture format get better learning outcomes in the hybrid and flipped formats. I don’t know about non-STEM subjects, but it has been found that more active learning and problem driven/collaborative learning formats (even if not completely flipped) are more effective at getting students to do higher levels of learning beyond the lower divisions of Bloom’s taxonomy. And they have particularly shown effects in courses that are more quantitative, where students were trained in k-12 to do algorithmic approaches to problem solving (that is, memorize the process and repeat the process on the exam and out comes the right number), but not think about the conceptual underpinnings too much which is actually a serious problem in university level chemistry and physics courses, even at elite universities:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwslBPj8GgI
*Turns out our great test taking mainly translates to an ability to plug and chug and be obedient in many STEM focused courses.

The same logic is also being applied to lots of biology (and things like organic chemistry) where we were trained to kind of just memorize and regurgitate things or, at best demonstrate a sort of superficial understanding (because prior to the AP/IB exams where a lot of us are heavily coached for in a way unlike how a college classroom would work, HS and k-12 faculty tend to populate assessments with very low level items, and this trickles up to college and many faculty find themselves doing the same thing to a) make tests easier to grade and b) avoid resistance from students who aren’t used to doing higher ordered items on exams without heavy coaching). More active learning, pbl/cbl, and flipped versions tend to yield better results on higher level exam items. So often students don’t like it, or don’t feel as if they are learning from it (because we are programmed to believe we only learn by watching a professor work problems or passively copying notes), it often is better if you want to take the thinking to the next level.

My alma mater (Emory-I don’t know how to describe student culture there…weird. Like some purgatory land between an Ivy style approach and a Chicago approach. There seems to be an unexpected level of receptivity to unusually rigorous instruction/intellectual demands as long as the instructor has an excellent reputation for teaching, but there is a chunk of students that really do just “want it to be fun, entertaining, high yield for knowledge, and low stress”) has done the flipped/hybrid flipped classroom for most gen. chem sections for…2-3 years I want to say, as a part of the implementation of a completely redesigned undergraduate chemistry curriculum. They handle this partially by having the ALEKS system teach them the basics before they show up in the fall, and then they do small/no lecture and mainly focus on activities that build the conceptual and mathematical background needed to master certain concept. It seems generally well received (as in not wide spread resistance), and students do okay (by that, I mean, exam averages are typical for intro. STEM courses anywhere. Usually 70s, and if a particularly strong cohort or easier test, then 80s) on the exams despite them having more challenging content than in the initial curriculum.

The new one includes serious organic chemistry content towards the end of the first semester “general chemistry” course as well as a solid integration of organic reactivity to frame traditional gen. chem 2 concepts in the 2nd semester. Organic chemistry and the structural aspects of gen. chem aren’t that “plug and chug” oriented like a lot of the AP curriculum, so it is possible that students don’t resist because they view the in class work-sheets and activities as legitimate preparation for more conceptually focused problems and applications. If the problems were just math/“plug and chug”, I am sure they wouldn’t be as appreciative because they could probably just learn by sitting and copying notes/the problem solving process of the teacher. And I think you are correct about the interaction element. The instructors and TAs stay in the room during activities to mentor, lead, and sum up the activities. It isn’t a full “hands off” approach, but does put more onus on the student which can be uncomfortable. You alluded to the issue of content loss possible and that is always one thing mentioned in the literature about these formats because a lot of resources may just go towards managing the the classroom as opposed to delivering content. However, if planned well it works fine (by the end of the 2nd semester, they actually got to an interesting end of the course where they tied together the content to understand enzyme-substrate binding qualitatively/quantitatively as well as an enzymatic reaction from a mechanistic standpoint).

It is a shame that some disingenuous instructors may indeed use it as a time saver. However, if the instructor is serious and dedicated, it can pay off whether students feel comfortable with or “like” it or not. We have to accept that even at the most elite schools, students may not like learning in a way that deviates from their expectations or past ways of learning. Furthermore, young students may not be the best at gauging whether they are actually learning (they may equate memorization and low levels of understanding to “learning”. I need not talk about the effects of entertainment and a variety of other non-competency/learning based things that yield student satisfaction).

*Either way, I say that students and others invested should keep an open mind about course delivery formats. To me, it is always about care in choosing WHO delivers it and how serious they are about teaching undergraduates. With these active learning biased classrooms, I would mainly trust those who have a track record of strong and rigorous teaching that were fairly well-respected by past cohorts of students (most at my alma mater who have the "flipped’ sections of gen. chem and ochem are/were award winning teachers before the curriculum change and were well liked by students and administration for the impact they had through their pedagogy).

I think in the past the lecture was at 9:30 and a taped version was available online. At $7000 per class (tuition, overpriced room, and overpriced board), if 350 students are taking this class, it is quite a money saver. On the other hand, how much value, really, is there in having a lecturer lecture in person to 200 students? If it means that the university can afford to keep having classes with 8 to 19 students in them, then okay. (Anyone thinking about taking the Coursera course?)

I wonder if the virtual classroom will ever take the place of our current system.

^@uocparent - it’s likely to remain a permanent “option” in the world of higher ed. Profs with a load of graduate advisees will likely prefer the format because it frees up their time; those who have abandoned publishing or who are permanent lecturers will feel threatened by the prospective job loss. So hard to say what the true inroads will be. I could well (and quite cynically) imagine a university embracing a flipped format or going virtual in order to save costs in the wake of, say, successful efforts to unionize and increase lecturer salaries. Still, the alternative format actually has to be efficacious. It obviously won’t be for some subjects.