<p>and of course its only fitting that Alexandre doesn't post the number of applicants, which is clearly on the webpage.</p>
<p>NYao, very few med schools have 7 or 8 year medical programs. Those tend to be mega-selective and generally lean toward accepting URMs. </p>
<p>And I did say that 60%-70% of Michigan pre-meds end up in Medical school, so I did make clear the odds. Tha's pretty amazing when you consider that even the easiest universities with the most amazing student bodies only place 75%-85% of their students into med school, and those universities generally "discourage" weaker students from applying to med school and law school in order to improve their placement rates. As a state University, Michigan must encourage all students who wish to apply to medical school, and that includes 2.5-2.9 students with low MCAT scores...students who have virtually no chance of getting into medical school, no matter which undergraduate institution they attend, and that private universities would probably, and wisely, discourage from applying to medical school.</p>
<p>But one stat remains clear NYao, each year, 500 Michigan students apply to medical school...of those anywhere between 70 and 100 will be admitted into Michigan Medical, one of the nation's top 10 medical schools. That's pretty good odds if you ask me. I checked the undergraduate universities of the matriculating medical students at top 10 medical schools last year, and the results were very interesting. Last year, other than the 51 Michigan students who enrolled into Michigan Medical, 7 students enrolled into Harvard Medical, 3 enrolled into Johns Hopkins Medical, 5 enrolled into Columbia Medical, 2 enrolled into Duke Medical, 5 enrolled into Penn Medical, 3 enrolled into Washington U. Medical, 2 enrolled into UCSF Medical, 2 enrolled into Cornell Medical, 4 enrolled into Chicago Medical, 3 enrolled into Northwestern Medical and 1 enrolled into Stanford Medical. In other words, out of 500 Michigan undergrads who applied to medical school last year, 90 enrolled into top 10 medical schools.</p>
<p>[muttering] I thought he took his ball and stomped home? </p>
<p>Well, Welcome back!</p>
<p>"I'm not sure why people would go through the hassle of applications to schools they know they won't go to due to finances. Just seems like a lot of work for nothing to me. "</p>
<p>well, that is just a really stupid and unprepared thought.</p>
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But one stat remains clear NYao, each year, 500 Michigan students apply to medical school...of those anywhere between 70 and 100 will be admitted into Michigan Medical, one of the nation's top 10 medical schools. That's pretty good odds if you ask me. I checked the undergraduate universities of the matriculating medical students at top 10 medical schools last year, and the results were very interesting. Last year, other than the 51 Michigan students who enrolled into Michigan Medical, 7 students enrolled into Harvard Medical, 3 enrolled into Johns Hopkins Medical, 5 enrolled into Columbia Medical, 2 enrolled into Duke Medical, 5 enrolled into Penn Medical, 3 enrolled into Washington U. Medical, 2 enrolled into UCSF Medical, 2 enrolled into Cornell Medical, 4 enrolled into Chicago Medical, 3 enrolled into Northwestern Medical and 1 enrolled into Stanford Medical. In other words, out of 500 Michigan undergrads who applied to medical school last year, 90 enrolled into top 10 medical schools.
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<p>Wow. And of course that is just "enrolled" which doesn't say anything about how many got in, which logically should be larger because not everyone attends the top 10 schools for various reasons i.e. finances, not interested in research, etc. So if 60-70 percent of U-M undergrads get in each year, 90/600 (I think 600 is closer to reality, Alexandre) thats 15 percent get into top 10 schools. Jesus. I am pretty impressed, actually, because I had always been advised that going to U-M for undergrad would be too difficult and impossible to get into best med schools. Clearly, I think the underlying message here is:</p>
<p>If you can survive and succeed at U-M despite the crap that comes with going to a public school, you will get into the best schools. Nice.</p>
<p>i think ur analysis is wrong, if u can get in UCSF, u can get in cornell.</p>
<p>Most schools will provide placement info for specific fields. I am certain that Michigan's career or pre-med center has such infomation. What is most relevant is the success rate of qualified students as Alexandre alluded to previously.
For example, at the university I will be attending the following data was provided for a recent graduating class:</p>
<p>Minimum 3.5GPA and 30 MCAT score placed 91% of applicants to at least 1 medical school.</p>
<p>The graph shows declining rates with lower scores but at least it provides a rough idea of how students fare. Of course, someone with a 3.2 GPA will have a tough time getting accepted.</p>
<p>What is also helpful is when schools provide more specific data of average scores and success rates to individual schools.</p>
<p>I am certain that top students at Michigan who do well on their MCATs have an excllent chance of getting accepted to med school.</p>
<p>NYao, I am not sure I understand your point about getting into Cornell and UCSF. </p>
<p>Stanford_dude, Michigan is a solid place to go for pre-med...but it isn't the most ideal university for pre-meds. Schools that are known for grade inflation, like Brown, Duke, Harvard and Stanford, are definitely more pleasant and effective at placing students into top medical schools. My point is that Michigan is a fine pre-med university, despite the myth that it isn't. The only difference is that at Michigan, pre-meds have to study a little harder.</p>
<p>i wasn't responding to you, i was responding to stanford, u can't predict numbers like that, people who got in ucsf can also get in cornell, nyu, and thats 3 acceptances with only one enroll.</p>
<p>Well, the cost just came down a bit. I got a Michigan scholar award...20k over 4 years. That's only 1/8 of the cost, but I might be able to justify spending that much on a college now. <em>sigh</em></p>
<p>Yeah, I never understood the Notre Dame fetish that's present in the Midwest, Alexandre.</p>
<p>I agree with Nyao. If you know medical school is the only option for you, try for Northwestern HPME, Brown PLME or even a crappy program like U-Missouri's program in Kansas City. Otherwise, U-M is surprisingly good at preparing you for the MCAT because the classes are so rigorous. Our acceptance rates to medical school may also be a little lower than some private schools because our big in-state option is U-M, one of the toughest medical schools in the country to gain admission to. The same problem is far more apparent in California. UCSF, UCSD, UCLA and Stanford are all so competitive that naturally Berkeley and UCLA have lower acceptance rates to medical school. If you want more insight, go to student doctor forum and see their ongoing debate about why Berkeley has such low acceptance rates to med school.</p>
<p>We do a considerably better job than most private schools aside from the LAC's and HYPS, though. We were creamed in the 2003 WSJ survey at the WSJ's admission because they used a formula that divided acceptances by total student body. Had they just based it on sheer number of acceptances, we would've ranked in the top 12. This school is really good at getting people into top law and medical schools. We also have a home advantage with Michigan Law and Med and Ross. The other kids on this thread had valid reasons, though. Pick whatever will be affordable and best for you.</p>
<p>Actually Michwoman, we were not creamed either way. We placed 156 students into top 5 professional programs...only 4 universities (H,P,S and Y) did better. But even as a ratio, Michigan did as well as Caltech, Cornell, Johns Hopkins and Northwestern and was ranked #18 among universities. Michigan is definitely very good at placing students into top graduate schools. I mean, just imagine, Michigan places close to 200 of its own students into its graduate Business, Law and Medical programs annually!</p>
<p>Try UW-Madison. About 47% of its departments are better than Mich. and it is significantly cheaper.</p>
<p>I agree that Wisconsin is an awesome school. It is located in an awesome college town (just as great as Ann Arbor) and it has great school spirit, intellectual/artistic events and, of course, athletic traditions. However, I am not sure how you figured that Wisconsin is better than Michigan is 50% of its departments. I mean, Wisconsin is better than Michigan in Biology, Chemistry, Computer Science and Sociology. They are tied in Economics. Michigan is ranked higher in Anthropology, English, Geology, History, Physics, Political Science and Psychology. Furthermore, Michigan is also ranked higher in Business, Engineering, Music and Nursing. I'd say Michigan is ranked higher than Wisconsin is about 70% of the main fields of study. Not that it matters because Wisconsin is a great university, but I don't think it is accurate to say that Wisconsin is better than Michigan in 47% of its fields of study.</p>
<p>me.</p>
<p>i made uva echols scholar program, so i think i'm going there instead, since uva is instate for me. uva without any financial aid still costs less than michigan would be for me.. with grant/FA</p>
<p>I'm not sure if I'd go...it's OOS and much more expensive than UCLA. And it's much colder in Michigan. However, I still find Michigan to be the better school...</p>
<p>Although I think I know the answer, does applying to LSA Honors mean that I've committed to go? I just want to make absolutely sure...thanks!</p>
<p>No response...I sent a request anyway. That question was stupid...</p>
<p>I'm still concerned about the $16k~/yr that it would cost to go to UMich. I guess I'll figure that out in the next couple of weeks.</p>