<p>So, the point of OP is that engineering is not an education? I am lost. If engineering is not an education, what is? Of course, we all can study everything at home. But some job positions require degree. If you study everything at home, you will limit yourself later in choices of potential employment.</p>
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<p>Of course, right wing people will complain about left wing bias everywhere.</p>
<p>Just like how left wing people will complain about right wing bias everywhere.</p>
<p>OP, many in the Paleo Left (labor vs. capital) believe the rise of the New Left (identity politics) was aided and abetted by the powerful forces of the Right to allow it to supplant the Paleos because the New Left is likely to remain too divided to threaten the established economic/political order, though it sure can play havoc with academia and with traditional social rules and expectations.</p>
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<p>Numerous studies have found that the preponderance of Democrats over Republicans is much higher among college faculty than in the general population, so accusations of left wing bias are less plausible.</p>
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<p>No, my point is that if a student majors in electrical engineering or mathematics, he is more likely to get a good grounding in those fields than if he studies history, because many history departments have a narrow and ideological view of what history is, as explained in the essays I linked to.</p>
<p>These days, Democrats are not as left wing as Republicans are right wing.</p>
<p>Also, the whole concept of a university that brings together people from diverse backgrounds and communities (even within a single state) may not mesh well with social conservatism that is uncomfortable with anything different.</p>
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<p>Of course, that web site and the essay writers also have their own narrow and ideological view of what history is.</p>
<p>Well, one would certainly HOPE that anyone studying electrical engineering receives a good grounding, ha ha! ;)</p>
<p>I can think of many good reasons to study math or engineering, but doing so to avoid supposed bad teaching in humanities and social sciences is not one of them. The saying about leading a horse to water applies here.</p>
<p>I would like to hear about “right wing bias”. It woudl be a bit of point to celebrate. Propaganda machine is definitely very depressing, copied heavily from overseas too, absolutely nothing is new, about 100 years old. So it is not only depressing, but also very boring samo samo. Could have just opened one book from couple of centuries ago, everything is there and every word is just a slogan prepared for controling individuals to scream over to the masses (yes, uneducated). If analytical skills are not taught in k-12, UG is a clean field to place any seeds, and they are placed very effectively. It is all one big schema…</p>
<p>To put it in perspective, the Democrats are so “left wing” that during the current Democratic presidency:</p>
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<li>Government (all levels) employment is shrinking (the opposite of what happened under the previous Republican presidency).</li>
<li>Private sector employment is growing (the opposite of what happened under the previous Republican presidency).</li>
<li>The Gini index is increasing.</li>
<li>Medical insurance reform modeled on a proposal by the Heritage Foundation and a state-level implementation under a Republican governor was enacted.</li>
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<p>^Well, I thought that discussion was about USA. When did we switch and to what country?</p>
<p>That is about the United States.</p>
<p>Private versus government job growth: [Chart</a> of the day, government payrolls edition | Felix Salmon](<a href=“http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/07/06/chart-of-the-day-government-payrolls-edition/]Chart”>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/07/06/chart-of-the-day-government-payrolls-edition/)</p>
<p>Gini index increase: [Income</a> inequality rises in the U.S.; household earnings fall 4.1 percent in the West | OregonLive.com](<a href=“http://www.oregonlive.com/money/index.ssf/2012/09/income_inequality_rises_in_the.html]Income”>Income inequality rises in the U.S.; household earnings fall 4.1 percent in the West - oregonlive.com)</p>
<p>“Numerous studies have found that the preponderance of Democrats over Republicans is much higher among college faculty than in the general population, so accusations of left wing bias are less plausible.”</p>
<p>I am so SICK of this argument. If Republicans - or conservatives, whatever - want to have a greater say in academics – let them study for years those pesky liberal arts. Get into top PhD programs. Work for years earning a pittance just to get a tenure-track job in the middle of nowhere then publish or perish. While earning a pittance. </p>
<p>THAT’s what it takes to be in academia. To have a say in academia. If Republicans - or conservatives, whatever - aren’t willing to live that way, then that’s too bad. They made their own damn choice. Academia will remain the domain of the liberals and idealists who do. </p>
<p>Now friggin’ stop whining about it.</p>
<p>Hmm…so the right here gets to influence textbook selection for the rest of the nation (through textbook selection in Texas) and subject all sorts of students to its narrow and ideological view.</p>
<p>[How</a> Texas Inflicts Bad Textbooks on Us by Gail Collins | The New York Review of Books](<a href=“How Texas Inflicts Bad Textbooks on Us | Gail Collins | The New York Review of Books”>How Texas Inflicts Bad Textbooks on Us | Gail Collins | The New York Review of Books)</p>
<p>The whole point of academia is to question…it’s supposed to be subversive.</p>
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<p>You are pretty rude.</p>
<p>^ I agree…and look who is actually whining</p>
<p>Katliamom, consider your post Liked!</p>
<p>Top 10 NE LACs to Epstein: “J’ACCUSE”</p>
<p>Also, academics don’t necessarily “earn a pittance”. Professors in certain colleges take in 120K+.</p>
<p>Katliamom rocks!</p>