<p>Plus, would he have picked Yale? Some of the weighing between applicants is, who will say yes to our yes? Maybe they judged that he might go elsewhere.</p>
<p>Emma Watson never applied to Yale to be accepted, and she will be going to Brown in the fall.</p>
<p>maybe the adcoms got a feeling this kid was robot lol. but seriously, there are many kids out there with stellar stats and yet get rejected, i’m not surprised.</p>
<p>^^^ That’s why I said this applies to all of the Ivies.</p>
<p>@ hmom5: i didn’t know dartmouth gave out aid, not scholarships; he said he didn’t need to pay for his four years @ dartmouth so i suspected it was a 4-Year Scholarship. Turns out i was wrong :P</p>
<p>Well this guy was basically in the lower~middle class income bracket, pretty competitive school (not in my school but an old friend of mine) and besides UChicago, where he appiled EA, Yale was his other #1 choice. He wanted to major in Poli Sci with an exception of being accepted to Wharton, but unfortunately he was waitlisted there. I really don’t get it. I understand that being an Asian from California means you are have bloody competition ahead, but I would be really surprised if anybody else had better scores than my friend. I admit that he’s maybe not the best writer the world has ever seen, but I don’t think lame essays should justify his rejection at these schools. If Yale wants “legacy, rich, white, preppy” kids for its incoming class of 2013, so be it. I’m angry at these schools for not admitting this amazingly bright kid for a lame reason while admitting legacy students with 1800~2000 SATs.</p>
<p>BTW, he’ll be attending UChicago this fall. Yale does not deserve this guy. This guy wanted to go to Yale more than anybody I knew, and he was rejected. What a bummer.</p>
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Scores are only part of the picture. I know it’s very difficult for a lot of people to accept that, particularly if they are from other countries where scores are everything.</p>
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<p>Every college, even Princeton, has to fill up some seats with highly-qualified but typical applicants. Plus, the fact he got in implies that his essays were not his weak point, or at least not in his admissions to Princeton. Maybe they were weak for Yale; who knows.</p>
<p>What I am a bit surprised by is that he was waitlisted by JHU. JHU is prestigious enough that I wouldn’t think they would have Tufts Syndrome, but at the same time, I really couldn’t normally imagine them rejecting a student of this caliber, unique or not…</p>
<p>i’m guessing he wasn’t the yale type. and yes there is a yale type.</p>
<p>He’s from Cali and didn’t apply to Stanford?</p>
<p>people with solid profiles and a little dash of luck (or hook or whatever you want to call it)</p>
<p>Wow I didn’t mean for the thread ot get so big before I could respond, but yeah: I was being completely facetious in my last post. I realize TONS of people want to go to Yale, and that it’s a great school. But Princeton? Come on, there’s NO reason to complain. Heck, even if he “only” got into JHU, there’d be no reason to complain, because they have a dang good undergraduate program.</p>
<p>It’s college though. Only a VERY VERY rare applicant is a “fit” for every school they apply to. There are kids that UChicago rejects but Brown accepts. Holistic college admissions tend to be weird (like Olin having more male candidates at their candidates weekends, but accepting more females), and your friend wasn’t/isn’t perfect. Until someone turns water into wine, don’t be surprised that they don’t get into a top university.</p>
<p>mosdefinitely: you can continue to be “ticked off” at Yale as much as you like. However if you look carefully at the facts even you put forth about the schools that DID accept your friend, you’ll know that a certain amount of chance and luck definitely applies. It seems extremely likely that your friend was QUALIFIED for Yale. But Yale only has a finite # of slots and the crushing numbers of applicants that Y and H receive is just unbelievable. I interviewed the single most interesting applicant I’ve had in 20 years, this past season. Yale rejected him. And you know what? I understood and while hopeful for an accept, was ultimately not surprised. 28,000 applicants. Under 8% admitted.</p>
<p>You mentioned in another post a Junior you know with fantastic stats and you think she has a “free pass” into any college. You’re 100% mistaken there as well. You yourself said she’s ranked 2-3. By your math the top 2-3 kids in most US high schools have auto-admits to the 8000 or so HYPS slots? Ummm… no.</p>
<p>Yale’s rejection of your friend is not an indictment on him. Yale WISHES it could take more people like your friend and that’s a fact. </p>
<p>For the other lurkers who bemoan Yale for taking only rich white legacies – you have no idea what you’re speaking about. I’ll leave it at that.</p>
<p>Sigh… back to the Asian controversy… there is NO Asian discrimination!!! Just too many competitors and hooked applicants. </p>
<p>SAT 2260 (single sitting)
SAT II USH 770 MATHIIC 750
GPA 3.91 UW ? W (Still Valedictorian… 
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ECs: P/VP of 2 Clubs
Random ECs that showed no single focus. Rather scattered all across the spectrum. I have no national level ECs, Awards, or exceptional talent.<br>
Middle Class… applied for aid. </p>
<p>I got in EA to Yale and I’m an Asian from California. It’s not THAT bad… </p>
<p>People get rejected for random reasons, but it’s not fair to say that Yale rejects Asians more. Studies show that whites and asians have similar acceptance rates once athletes and legacies are out of the picture.</p>
<p>Plus I’m guessing someone who applied to 7 ivies wouldn’t be the best at explaining why he/she is the best candidate for one in particular…</p>
<p>@monstor344: JHU might really be a case of Tufts Syndrome. At my school last year, this happened to three people:</p>
<p>1) Accepted at Harvard, Princeton, Yale
2) Accepted at Princeton, Yale; Denied at Harvard
3) Accepted at Harvard; Waitlisted at Yale</p>
<p>All three were rejected from Stanford. Certainly Stanford is more prestigious than JHU, yet not really more selective than HPY.</p>
<p>Awhh poor kid only got into Princeton, Penn, Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell, U of Chicago, and Emory? Only 5 of the 8 Ivies??? Sucks, wow I would be ticked too, those schools are terrible. Might as well just enroll at the local community college…</p>
<p>Get real.</p>
<p>Yeah a good friend of mine told me a similar story. She goes to a top prep school (sends 1/3 of the class to Ivies), and even though the don’t rank, her senior class’ “valedictorian” had a nightmare story. She ended up being waitlisted at EVERY ivy league, and she only applied to one other school (a clear safety that she liked), which she got into with a lot of money. She had near perfect/perfect stats, yet and was very involved in the school. Still, she was waitlisted. </p>
<p>If you want my opinion, I think there is definitely such a thing as TOO perfect. I really think colleges are trying to be holistic, and that includes personality. If you have totally perfect scores, that doesn’t show much vulnerability or weakness, nor does it show strength. A guy in my school applied to Harvard with stats significantly less than both the girl I mentioned and your friend, and he got waitlisted –> accepted. He had no legacy, he was unhooked, and he was a white male. He was ranked 11th in our class, with nobody above him getting into HYP. He didn’t play a sport either. He did, however, show strong interest in premed by volunteering at a hospital, as well as focusing on his ONE strong EC (besides volunteering), debate. He was not president or captain of debate, he was, however, very good at it. Numerous awards, etc. I think this kind of acute passion, in concordance with his good grades and above average SATs (2260), he appeared to be a well-rounded, human applicant.</p>
<p>dreamso’s story about the prep school “valedictorian” is surprising. Usually the college counselors at top prep schools are more experienced, work with fewer students and have more contact with college adcoms. For a student with such stats, the outcome would be a “scandal” in a prep school. I am curious what school that was.</p>
<p>“She ended up being waitlisted at EVERY ivy league, and she only applied to one other school (a clear safety that she liked), which she got into with a lot of money.”</p>
<p>Applying to every Ivy indicates what she cared about most was prestige, and she probably didn’t differentiate among the Ivies, and didn’t bother to write supplemental essays that would most appeal to the various schools.</p>
<p>The fact that she applied to only reaches and a clear safety indicates to me that she overestimated her chances of getting into an Ivy, an example of someone who relies on applying to a lot of reaches instead of more strategically applying to colleges. I’m guessing that she mistakenly thought her stats would get her into an Ivy, too, so may not have crafted as careful applications as she could have.</p>